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    Posted by: John Schroeder at 04:12 pm, August 21st 2006     &mdash      Comment on this post »

    Last Friday I went on a bit of a rant arguing that everybody keeps saying that Romney’s religious affiliation is an issue without much evidence to that effect.  Given the very heavy readership (courtesy Hugh Hewitt) I am somewhat surprised that no one has challenged my statement that we don’t have much evidence. (Lowell wondered about it in a private communication!)  So, I want to lay out what we do and do not know.

    First we have the LATimes/Bloomberg poll with it’s now widely quoted 37% “will not vote for” number.  Then there is the RunMittRun.com South Carolina poll that sets the “will not vote” number at 33%.  That’s about it, and that is somewhat woefully inadequate to conclude that Romney’s CJCLDS affiliation is a significant issue.

    Both Powerline and Kathryn Jean Lopez on National Review Online have analyzed the LATimes/Bloomberg poll and determined the data is insignificant to conclude that Romney has a problem.  Lowell and I have seen the questions from the RMR poll and they are very similar.

    I’m not sure I have much of a point to make here beyond those I have already made, I just thought I ought to anticipate the objection and pull together the resources I have to defend myself.

    [tags]polling. Mormon, Romney, Powerline, NRO, issues, evidence[/tags]

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    Hewitt’s Talking Points #4 – Redefinition Of Marriage – The Evangelical and Mormon Perspectives Compared

    Posted by: John Schroeder at 12:27 am, June 2nd 2006     &mdash      Comment on this post »

    In Painting the Map Red Hugh Hewitt identifies 5 major messages that the GOP must put out there, over and over in the ’06 election cycle. In this series of post’s, we are looking at each message from our different perspectives to see where Mormons and evangelicals have common ground. The fourth of Hewitt’s messages is:

    The Democratic Left Wants to Radically Redefine Marriage While Portraying Republicans as Bigoted.

    John: The Evangelical View

    As evidence of his contention Hewitt lays out the various judicial rulings and legislative actions regarding same sex marriage of recent years. Here is some fresh evidence since the book was pubished. More importantly, Hewitt lays out how those actions are in direct defiance of the will of the VAST majority of the American people, citing virtually every poll every done on the issue.

    In my opinion this may replace abortion as the hot button issue for politically involved evangelicals in the next few election cycles. Marriage is one of the places where government and religion unavoidably intersect, as marriage is established in both places.

    As we know, people come to their individual religiosity by any number of paths, but I am certain that one of the most common ones for adult evangelicals is for the benefit of their family – a family that they clearly think is one man and one woman.

    The second reason this will be such a hot button issue is what Hewitt points out – this is governance in direct opposition, even defiance to the will of the people. That’s enough to rile up any red-blooded American, evangelical or otherwise. (Anybody remember the Stamp Act?)

    I will be very interested in the comments of my co-blogger Lowell on this issue. As most are aware, historically, though not presently as I understand it, Mormons ran into much opposition in America because of their polygamist practices. Further, one of the best arguments against government sanction of same sex marriage, or having the nation become completely libertarian with regards to marriage, is that either will lead down the slippery-slope to polygamy, incest, bestiality, and other forms of deviant marriage. In other words, in the past, Mormons attempted to radically redefine marriage in America. The result was vigorous persecution, often beyond reasonable, civil, or legal boundaries.

    Lowell: The Mormon Perspective

    Same-sex marriage is one issue in which there is simply no distance between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons”) and Evangelicals– or, for that matter, among Mormons, Evangelicals, orthodox Catholics, observant Jews, and any other Judeo-Christian religion that takes the notion of revealed religion seriously. The Mormon Church states its official position on its web site:

    The doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints affirms marriage between a man and a woman, and opposes same-gender unions and any other sexual relations outside of marriage. Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God to fulfill the eternal destiny of His children. “The union of husband and wife assures perpetuation of the race and provides a divinely-ordained setting for the nurturing and teaching of children. This sacred family setting, with father and mother and children firmly committed to each other and to righteous living, offers the best hope for avoiding many of the ills that afflict society.”

    Further detail is available here.

    This statement is no mere platitude. The Church takes this issue very seriously. In 2000, when Proposition 22 was on the ballot in California with a definition of “marriage” as the union between one man and one woman, the Church was extraordinarily active in fund-rasing and organization. Together with the Catholic Bishops, the Orthodox Rabbis, and evangelical groups, the Mormons went door to door, planted lawn signs, and helped raise millions of dollars to secure Prop 22′s passage by a wide margin. Several weeks ago the Church not only announced its support for the Federal Marriage Amendment, but directed that a letter from the First Presidency of the Church be read in every U.S. congregation during Sunday services. The letter noted that a vote on the Amendment was set for June 6, 2006, in the U.S. Senate and urged members of the Church “to express themselves on this urgent matter to their elected representatives in the Senate.” (In my California congregation the contact information for our state’s two senators was handed out with the written Sunday meeting program.)

    It’s clear that the Mormons and evangelicals were thinking the same way on this matter, according to the Salt Lake City’s Deseret News:

    News of the letter was received with a “Great!” at the conservative, Colorado-based Focus on the Family. “The timing is wonderful,” says Peter Brandt, senior director of public policy. Focus on the Family has sent out its own letter to 135,000 U.S. pastors, offering them pre-printed postcards in support of the amendment. “We’ve distributed a million or so postcards,” Brandt says. The group has also launched phone campaigns in 14 states where Senate members voted against the amendment the last time. Utah is not on the list.

    As noted above, Mitt Romney’s official positions on same-sex marriage are well-known and are fully consistent with his church’s position. It was his own Massachusetts Supreme Court that discovered, after hundreds of years, a right to gay marriage in the state constitution. (Goodridge v. Department of Public Health was the case.) Romney has railed against the Goodridge decision ever since the court handed it down.

    John mentions polygamy. All I can safely say about that without risking a foray into my own opinions is to state the Church’s official position:

    Some early leaders and members of the Church entered into plural marriages during the latter half of the nineteenth century. After receiving a revelation, Church President Wilford Woodruff declared the practice should be discontinued in 1890. That position has been reaffirmed by every president of the Church since. Members of the Church who enter into plural marriage today face Church disciplinary action, including excommunication.

    It is true, as John notes, that much of the persecution of the Church during one period of its history arose from the practice of “plural marriage,” as it was called. There were many other excuses given for persecution as well. It is important to understand that the Mormons of that era practiced polygamy because of their sincere belief that God had commanded them do do so. They quit when (1) the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the government’s authority to regulate polygamy, even though it was the expression of a religious belief, and (2) their prophet told them that the practice must now stop. (I don’t know a single practicing Mormon who wishes polygamy would return, by the way; the general feeling is to wonder how on earth those people managed to live that way.) So to the average mainstream Mormon, there’s no connection between polygamy and same-sex marriage; the former is prohibited, and the latter is considered a true abomination, directly contrary to God’s plan of happiness for His children.

    Marriage, in short, is another area in which Mormons and evangelicals can and do make common cause.

    Chime in on this subject, if you wish, on the comment forum.

    [tags]elections, issues, marriage, same-sex marriage, polygamy, evangelicals[/tags]

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    The Liberal War on The Judiciary: Comparing The Evangelical And Mormon Perspectives

    Posted by: Lowell Brown at 10:36 pm, May 31st 2006     &mdash      Comment on this post »

    For the ’06 election cycle Hugh Hewitt, in Painting the Map Red, identifies five GOP messages and we are looking at them here from an evangelical and Mormon perspective. Message 3 is:

    The Democratic Left and Its Senators Have Declared War on the Judiciary

    John: An Evangelical Perspective

    Of all of the points in the book, this one is to me the most obvious. The most devastating point is made when Hugh reprints these tables. It is clear that the Democrats are losing political influence, but attempting to hold control through judicial action.

    This is a clear attempt to override the checks and balances among branches of government and the political ebb and flow that the nation was designed to accommodate. This issues is also, to my mind, of almost singular importance. The “War on Religion” discussed as the previous issue is largely being fought in the judiciary. From abortion “rights” to “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, the greatest restrictions of the religious voice in public life have come not through the ballot box or the legislature, but from the courts.

    I’m not sure there is an “evangelical perspective”on this particular issue – I think there is simply an American one. If the courts escape the bonds of their constitutionally restricted purview, that is to say interpretation, not creation, of law, then we will rapidly fall into autocracy. We would no longer be the United States of America.

    We find ourselves in that position now, at least when it comes to certain issues. The vast majority of American, somewhere around 90%, identify themselves in believers of in God. Yes, there is an immense spectrum of such belief, but most believe in a Higher Being/Creator. And yet, decision after decision after decision comes down from the courts of our land seeking to deny this simple statistical fact from public discourse and consideration.

    From the filibusters of a huge number of Bush’s appellate court nominees to the lines of questioning aimed at other nominess, it is clear that the Democratic left seeks to control the nation through the courts. They seek to short-circuit the democratic process and re-write the constitution without a vote fo the people. This simply cannot be tolerated.

    Lowell: A Mormon Perspective

    I don’t believe there is a particularly Mormon view of this issue. A politically conservative Mormon will see the matter the same way any conservative evangelical or Catholic or Methodist or Jew would see it, and would agree fully with John’s post.

    There are several reasons for this. As John notes, liberals tend to see the judiciary as a means of overriding the Constitutional system of checks and balances, and so they want desperately to control the courts. This is probably because liberals know they cannot achieve their policy goals (such as abortion on demand and same-sex marriage) at the ballot box, so they see the courts as mini-legislatures where they can do so.

    Abortion on demand is the great liberal success story in this regard. How do Mormons see that issue? The LDS Church opposes abortion, and so Roe v. Wade is outrageous to  Mormons who are paying attention to what the Supreme Court did in that case.

    Turning to gay rights, the Church filed a “friend of the court” brief in Boy Scouts of America v. Dale, the case in which the Supreme Court came within one vote of deciding, as a matter of Constitutional law, that the Boy Scouts must allow homosexual scoutmasters to serve. (I blogged extensively about Scouting and the Supreme Court here.) The Mormon Church also recently announced its support for the Federal Marriage Amendment, which provides, in pertinent part:

    “Neither this Constitution, nor the constitution of any State, shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman.”

    Romney’s already on record as opposing gay marriage, and vigorously criticizes his own state’s Supreme Court for discovering a right to gay marriage in the Massachusetts Constitution. That case was called Goodridge v. Department of Public Health. Romney’s opposition to the Goodridge decision, which he repeatedly calls “judicial legislation,” is quite well-known. So there appears to be little doubt where he stands on the role of the judiciary.

    All of these cases exemplify judical arrogation of power. Opinions among Mormons will differ, but there is nothing in Mitt Romney’s religion that would separate him from Hugh Hewitt’s proposition that there is a “liberal war on the judiciary.” Indeed, I am confident that most committed Mormons would readily agree with Hugh that the judiciary is too often deciding matters best left to the legislative branch. And most conservative evangelicals should be delighted with Romney’s position on the issue.
    [tags]Hugh Hewitt, Democratic left, courts, judicial legislation, Boy Scouts, gay rights, gay marriage, filibuster, abortion, Pledge of Allegiance[/tags]

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    Question of The Day (almost from left field, but interesting): Mormon Abstinence from Alcohol – Any Impact in A Romney White House?

    Posted by: Lowell Brown at 03:02 pm, May 27th 2006     &mdash      Comment on this post »

    Reader Charlie Shipp passes on this interesting bit from a May 23 interview of William Bennett by National Review Online editor Kathryn Lopez, regarding Bennet’s new book, The Last Best Hope: 

    Lopez: As secretary of State, William Jennings Bryan banned wine at diplomatic receptions. Would we ever stand for such a thing again? Should Mormon presidential hopeful Mitt Romney get out in the open early on that he wouldn’t do such a thing as president?

    Bennett: I don’t think we ever would stand for such a thing again; and even in the White House we will never see again the days of “Lemonade Lucy Hayes,” wife of Rutherford. When she presided at White House social functions, it was said “The water flowed like champagne.”

    As for Mitt, I assume since he has spent so much time in Boston, he probably thinks beer is the third tap on a sink. But seriously, he needs to simply say what he believes; he’s done pretty well so far.

    The question is frankly silly.  Mitt’s not exactly a blank slate on this “issue,” having been the governor of a populous state for almost four years.  It should be pretty easy to determine whether he has been giving only ”dry” official functions.  Something tells me that if he had, we’d certainly know about that. 

    Even so, Ms. Lopez ask a useful question because it reflects the understandable ignorance even well-educated and broadly experienced people have about Mormon faith and culture.  It’s also the kind of thing that becomes part of a whisper campaign during a Republican primary.  So here’s my answer: 

    Faithful Mormons do not drink alcohol, tea or coffee, use tobaco, or abuse drugs.  But they do not impose those practices on others.  (Example:  When Prohibition was repealed, Utahns famously voted for repeal along with the rest of the country– even though the leadership of the LDS Church urged them to vote the other way.)

    There are no prescribed practices in this area.  When this Mormon lawyer takes a client out to dinner, the client can order whatever he wants– even wine.  I simply drink water or a soft drink.  I’ve never experienced a moment of discomfort in that setting, although a restaurant dinner guest of mine once asked me if I minded his drinking in my presence.  (I smilingly told him no.)

    Now, it’s different when we entertain in our home.  There, my family simply doesn’t serve alcohol, and we don’t allow smoking in our home.  When our children are married, alcohol won’t be served.  I believe almost all Mormons adopt the same practices.  (A Democrat Mormon congressman once told me he kept beer in his refrigerator for guests in his home, but I think that’s pretty rare.)

    So– in light of the above, because the White House is the president’s home, would President Romney forbid its use in the presidential mansion?  I can’t imagine that.  Mitt’s been around the world too long, and is too warm a personality, to be so, well, Puritanical.  (I struggled for that metaphor and hope I have offended no one.)  After all, the White House is not the president’s private residence, it really belongs to the people.  Mitt won’t drink with his guests, but he won’t stop them from doing so.

    Well, I’m glad we got that weighty question off the table!

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    Question of The Day: Responding to The Religion Argument

    Posted by: Lowell Brown at 08:51 pm, May 17th 2006     &mdash      Comment on this post »

    RightWingTeen has his second Question of The Day:

    If I get into a discussion with someone about Romney becoming President and the main argument against Romney is that he is Mormon, what is the most effective way to respond?

    Comments, please.

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    Question of The Day: The Lack of A Connection between Romney And Polygamous Groups

    Posted by: Lowell Brown at 08:26 pm, May 14th 2006     &mdash      8 Comments »

    Reader Charlie Shipp asks:

    “How many likely voters know that Mitt Romney and Warren Jeffs, the notorious leader of the FLDS polygamist group, are not connected?”

    Warren Jeffs is the leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or FLDS. He happens to be on the FBI’s “Ten Most Wanted” list right now. Despite the FLDS Church’s similar-sounding name, it is undisputed that the FLDS organization has no connection with the church to which Mitt Romney belongs: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, organized in 1830. As this summary shows, however, the mainstream news media is not careful to make any distinction between “real” Mormons and splinter groups who, like the FLDS, claim a connection to Mormonism.

    Charlie seems to be asking, “Do likely voters generally understand the distinction? If not, is their failure to do so harmful to Romney?”

    Your comments, please!

    [tags]Mormons, Mitt Romney, polygamists, Warren Jeffs, election, presidency[/tags]

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