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		<title>The Mormon Question and tonight&#8217;s presidential debate</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lowell Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tonight at 8:00 EDT we&#8217;ll see the Bloomberg/Washington Post Republican Presidential Debate.  This will be a &#8220;pure MSM&#8221; event, with the estimable Charlie Rose as moderator.  Washington Post political correspondent Karen Tumulty and Bloomberg TV White House correspondent Julianna Goldman will also be asking the candidates questions. Can anyone doubt that this MSM panel will [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonight at 8:00 EDT we&#8217;ll see the <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3dhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0bGl2ZS5jb20vY29uZmVyZW5jZXMvMjAxMi1yZXB1YmxpY2FuLXByZXNpZGVudGlhbC1kZWJhdGU=" target=\"_blank\">Bloomberg/Washington  Post Republican Presidential Debate</a>.  This will be a &#8220;pure MSM&#8221; event, with the estimable Charlie Rose as moderator.  Washington Post political correspondent <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vMjAxMS8wNy8xNS9nSVFBTWhXSkdJX3BhZ2UuaHRtbA==" target=\"_blank\">Karen  Tumulty</a> and Bloomberg TV White House correspondent Julianna Goldman will also be asking the candidates questions.</p>
<p>Can anyone doubt that this MSM panel will ask  <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hcnRpY2xlNmJsb2cuY29tL3RoZS1xdWVzdGlvbi8=" target=\"_blank\">The Question</a> in some form, of either Rick Perry or Mitt Romney?  In anticipation of that likelihood, the Wall Street Journal&#8217;s William McGurn has written <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL29ubGluZS53c2ouY29tL2FydGljbGUvU0IxMDAwMTQyNDA1Mjk3MDIwMzYzMzEwNDU3NjYyMzI1NDIwNTAyOTQwMC5odG1sP21vZD1XU0pfT3Bpbmlvbl9MRUFEVG9w" target=\"_blank\">The Cult of Anti-Mormonism</a> in today&#8217;s edition.  He begins with advice that we could have written:</p>
<blockquote><p>Here&#8217;s some advice for Republican candidates appearing at Tuesday&#8217;s  presidential debate at Dartmouth College. When you are asked, as you  will be asked, what you make of the Christian pastor who called the  Mormon faith a &#8220;cult,&#8221; there&#8217;s only one appropriate answer.</p>
<p>It comes from the last sentence of  Article VI of the Constitution, and it reads as follows: &#8220;[N]o religious  Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public  Trust under the United States.&#8221; It doesn&#8217;t get any clearer than that.</p></blockquote>
<p>McGurn goes on to point out the Pew survey showing that Romney&#8217;s faith is more of a problem for liberals than conservatives.</p>
<blockquote><p>[O]verall, more Democrats than Republicans are hostile to a Mormon  candidacy (31% to 23%). More interesting still is Pew&#8217;s finding that  when it comes to this particular animus, &#8220;liberal Democrats stand out,  with 41% saying they would be less likely to support a Mormon  candidate.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>One has to wonder if this tendency might help explain the MSM&#8217;s fascination with the Mormon issue.</p>
<p>So how will Charlie Rose and his colleagues approach the religion issue tonight?  Will they simply try to start a bonfire and create headlines?  Or will they try to enlighten the audience?  McGurn concludes by raising Proposition 8 in this context, a subject that we haven&#8217;t addressed much lately on this blog:</p>
<blockquote><p>[I]t&#8217;s good to see Republican feet now being held to the fire on an issue  the Founders resolved in 1787. Even more encouraging would be a press  willing to give attention to very real concern among politically active  Mormons: whether a Romney nomination would mean LDS members staying on  the sidelines out of fear of the kind of attacks on their property and  their livelihoods that their co-religionists experienced with  California&#8217;s Proposition 8 and its aftermath.</p></blockquote>
<p>Grab some popcorn and watch with us.</p>
<h3>Okay, John&#8217;s Turn</h3>
<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/authors/JohnS-1.jpg" alt="" width="73" height="100" />It is going to be an interesting show, and most interesting from my perspective will be how much Kool-Aid Charlie Rose <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>et. al.</em></span> will have consumed.   The Mormon talk continues at a feverish pitch throughout media old and new.  I was going to pass on, as usual, all the links, but at this point they are too grossly numerous, too repetitive, and too beside the point.  They are one prong of what is now emerging as a clearly coordinated political attack on Romney as the front-runner.</p>
<p>Consider: The weekend opened with Jeffress/religion affair, about the only topic hot enough to consume media for an entire weekend.  It was followed on Monday by <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3RoZWhheXJpZGUuY29tLzIwMTEvMTAvcGVycnktaGFtbWVycy1yb21uZXktb24taGVhbHRoLWNhcmUtZmxpcC1mbG9wcy8=" target=\"_blank\">Perry hitting Romney, once again, on flip-flop</a>.  And this morning a story breaks about<a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy50aGVhdGxhbnRpYy5jb20vcG9saXRpY3MvYXJjaGl2ZS8yMDExLzEwL29iYW1hLWNvbnN1bHRlZC13aXRoLXJvbW5leS1hZHZpc2Vycy1vbi1oZWFsdGgtY2FyZS1sYXcvMjQ2NDYyLw==" target=\"_blank\"> some of Romney&#8217;s Massachusetts advisers being consulted on the development of Obamacare</a>.  That is three hard punches at Romney&#8217;s three biggest perceived weaknesses in, essentially, the three days leading up to the debate.  And so, I repeat the question: Will Charlie Rose and company take this all in and turn the debate into &#8220;hammer Romney time&#8221; or will they attempt to conduct an actual debate between candidates?  Will they allow their debate agenda to be set by what is clearly a media campaign being waged by one of the candidates, or by the &#8220;not Romney&#8221; forces generally?</p>
<p>Let me give you just one example.  Romney&#8217;s religion &#8211; Romney&#8217;s religion &#8211; Romney&#8217;s religion &#8211; we have heard and are hearing it until my ears are bleeding.  But will anyone talk about the fact that <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5mcnVtZm9ydW0uY29tL2JhY2htYW5uLWdvZC1jYWxsZWQtbWUtdG8tcnVu" target=\"_blank\">Michele Bachmann</a>, <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZWNuLmNvbS9zZWFyY2hORUNOL3NlYXJjaC92LzQzNjEzODI5L3RleGFzLWdvdi1wZXJyeS1zYXlzLWhlLWZlZWxzLWdvZC1zLWNhbGwtdG8tcnVuLWZvci1wcmVzaWRlbnQuaHRt" target=\"_blank\">Rick Perry</a>, and <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5rd3R4LmNvbS9uZXdzL2hlYWRsaW5lcy9DYWluX19Hb2RfVG9sZF9NZV9Ub19SdW5fMTMxNDg1MzQ4Lmh0bWw/cmVmPTM0OA==" target=\"_blank\">Herman Cain</a> all claim to have been &#8220;called by&#8221; or &#8220;told by&#8221; God to seek office? All this concern about Mormonism and whether electing a Mormon will put Salt Lake City in charge of the nation, and yet I hear no claim of divine imprimatur by the Mormon&#8217;s campaign &#8211; only the Protestants are making such claims.  Will our moderators question these three candidates on their claims?  Will the moderators wonder how God could call three different people to one job?  Will they examine in exquisite detail the differences between Cain&#8217;s National Baptist church, Perry&#8217;s Methodist church and Bachmann&#8217;s Lutheran <em>cum </em>Evangelical churches?  Will they ask which one of those denominations is the &#8220;true&#8221; Christian denomination?  Will they examine the Christological differences among these denominations?</p>
<p>If the moderators are smart they will not ask any of those questions, nor will they ask about Romney&#8217;s faith; but sadly I think buzz trumps smart and so we are going to be treated to what will doubtlessly be a sordid debate.  I agree with McGurn, all the candidates should answer religion questions with, essentially, &#8220;What&#8217;s that got to do with what we are here to talk about?&#8221;  But I am not sure they will.  Some, of course, did on the Sunday shows already and here&#8217;s hoping they will stick to their guns.  But if one of them tries to prevaricate, dodge, or otherwise let the religion point stand without wholly buying into it, you can bet that one is somewhere in the background of the three-pronged attack that we are seeing emerge.</p>
<p>Which brings me to one related issue.   I got an email from Tony Perkins yesterday.  Tony is the guy that runs the Family Research Council, which is the organization behind the VVS.  Interestingly, that widely broadcast email is supposed to be replicated on the FRCAction website, but the link is non-functional.  Here&#8217;s the pertinent portion of the email:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Bringing together 3,400 conservative activists, leaders, and speakers with  reporters from almost every news outlet is not without some risk. And although  thousands of social conservatives came to Washington to talk about restoring  America&#8217;s moral foundation, it didn&#8217;t fit the media&#8217;s storyline. Having been a  reporter for a short while I know what journalists are looking for. Controversy.  And it didn&#8217;t take long for them to find it when the Texas pastor who introduced  Gov. Perry was asked by reporters if Mormonism is a cult. When he said yes &#8212;  even though it was in a sidebar conversation with the media &#8212; his answer became  a dominant story from VVS.</em></p>
<p><em>Since the firestorm erupted on Friday, I&#8217;ve been on most of the news networks  responding to the questions of the press. This is what I&#8217;ve said: America is a  country where religious freedom is constitutionally protected and where we  respect the right for people to practice their faith publicly and peacefully in  a free nation. President George Washington replied to the Hebrew Congregation in  Newport, Rhode Island: &#8220;[H]appily, the Government of the United States, which  gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that  they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in  giving it on all occasions their effectual support.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>We clearly recognize the fact that Mormon theology includes doctrines that  are distinct from Evangelical theology and Catholic theology. At the same time,  the goal of the values voter movement is not to build a &#8221; National Church .&#8221; Our  goal is to build a national coalition based on the shared values of  respecting human life, strengthening natural marriage, defending religious  liberty, promoting personal and fiscal responsibility, and maintaining our  national security. When we successfully work together with those who share our  values, we are preserving and strengthening our religious liberty, so that we  can freely share the truth of the gospel with everyone.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>What&#8217;s missing?  Perkins does not accept the responsibility for Jeffress&#8217; presence on the dais.  Nor does he repudiate Jeffress&#8217; claims, in that particular context, for the distractions they are.  He acts as if he was caught as unawares as the Perry campaign claims, yet the Perry campaign claims that it was Perkins&#8217; organization that made the call to put Jeffress in that spot.  As we have <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hcnRpY2xlNmJsb2cuY29tLzIwMTEvMTAvMDcvcmljay1wZXJyeXMtcGxhdXNpYmxlLWRlbmlhYmlsaXR5LWlzLW5vdC1wbGF1c2libGUv" target=\"_blank\">amply</a> <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hcnRpY2xlNmJsb2cuY29tLzIwMTEvMTAvMDgvcGVycnlzLWltcGxhdXNpYmlsaXR5LXRoZS1sYXRlc3Qv" target=\"_blank\">demonstrated</a>, Jeffress was a well-known quantity.</p>
<p>Point being, people are running away from Jeffress as fast as they know how.  This prong of the attack has clearly backfired.  Will Charlies Rose and friends be smart enough to run away too?</p>
<p>As to Lowell&#8217;s popcorn invitation, I think we are going to need seat belts.</p>
<p>&#038;nbsp<br />
<h3>John Mark here:</h3>
<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/uploads/JMNR2_smaller1.jpg" alt="" width="73" height="100" /></p>
<p>As a former Anglican I was going to propose a fifth (where every two or three Anglicans gather, there is a fifth), but in the interest of dialog and fraternity, I will accept a large milkshake for tonight&#8217;s debate. </p>
<p>If asked, I would reply: &#8220;With millions of Americans unemployed, with the unborn having no Constitutional protections, and with the American family under assault with the Obama economy, I think we have better things to discuss than imposing an unconstitutional religious test on a GOP candidate.&#8221;</p>
<p>If they pressed Perry should say, &#8220;Jimmy Carter was a Southern Baptist. Dwight Eisenhower was not even baptized when he took office. I would attend Carter&#8217;s church and like Ike&#8217;s success.&#8221; </p>
<p>If Romney is pressed, he should roll his eyes and say: &#8220;Ask the unemployed in Detroit if they care about where I go to church or about jobs . . . if anything other than jobs comes up it will be the Lions and Tigers. Next question, please.&#8221;</p>
<p>With Romney leading in Iowa according to some polls where he is putting in little effort and with the Christie endorsement, isn&#8217;t it obvious that most conservatives are willing to vote for Romney?</p>
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		<title>The Problem with &#8220;The Book of Mormon&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lowell Brown</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[News Media Bias]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Proposition 8]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I&#8217;m not talking about the book of scripture from which the nickname for my church is derived. I&#8217;m talking about the Broadway musical that won so many Tony awards last Sunday night. I&#8217;ve admitted here to some ambivalence about &#8220;The Book of Mormon.&#8221; On balance the musical seems to be harmless nonsense that, I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m not talking about the book of scripture from which the nickname for my church is derived.  I&#8217;m talking about the Broadway musical that won so many Tony awards last Sunday night.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve admitted here to some ambivalence about &#8220;The Book of Mormon.&#8221;  On balance the musical seems to be harmless nonsense that, I hope, signals a recognition of my faith as sufficiently established and familiar in the USA to mock.  In other words, the musical might be seen as a back-handed compliment to Mormonism.</p>
<p>And yet&#8230;. </p>
<p>Part of me is uneasy about the notion that is is acceptable &#8212; even praiseworthy &#8212; to mock a religious minority that has a history of persecution.  As much as &#8220;The Book of Mormon&#8221; may be a sign of mainstreaming Mormon culture, if not its beliefs, it may also foreshadow the acceptance of intellectual persecution and ridicule of a distinctive religious tradition.  We Mormons are a little sensitive about that.</p>
<p>But it has taken an Orthodox Christian professor at Biola University, John Mark Reynolds, to make the point for us.  In a must-read op-ed at The Washington Post&#8217;s &#8220;On Faith&#8221; blog, Professor Reynolds (a favorite of this blog) writes of <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vYmxvZ3Mvb24tZmFpdGgvcG9zdC9hbW9zLWFuZC1hbmR5LWFuZC10aGUtYm9vay1vZi1tb3Jtb24vMjAxMS8wNi8xNS9BR1JsSFBXSF9ibG9nLmh0bWw=">Amos and Andy and The Book of Mormon</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>If we assume the play a brilliant satire with PR unfortunate enough to release only the cruel and facile bits, then we are still left with two unfortunate truths about this play. First, the writers are cowards. They inflict pain and mockery on those already despised while going soft on the tired assumptions of their rich and powerful patrons. Second, in a pluralistic society they have targeted a group already misunderstood and discriminated against.</p>
<p>I am no Mormon, but I have witnessed bigotry and ignorance directed against this American community. The LDS Church is placed in the difficult position of seeing their most sacred beliefs mocked in a nation that murdered their prophet in a shameful lynching. Broadway has given aid and comfort to the mob of ignorant folk who know nothing of modern Mormonism outside of their prejudices.</p>
<p>No wonder Mormon politicians like Jon Huntsman, bob and weave when asked by bigots if they are part of the LDS church. Few of us have the Mitt Romney courage to stand by our people when the cost is high. For his steadfastness, Romney was linked to the play in a Newsweek parody cover that left only his profile, but a profile in religious courage.</p></blockquote>
<p>Please read the whole thing.</p>
<p>In the end, I, and other Mormons like me, find the musical disturbing and somewhat worrisome.  In the aftermath of California&#8217;s Proposition 8 we felt the sting of public attacks on individual members of our church who acted on a matter of conscience.  Yes, that makes us nervous about the extent to which we might have to steel ourselves for further such attacks in the future.  We do not like the idea that ridiculing and marginalizing our most sacred and fundamental beliefs is not only acceptable, but hilarious.  What person of faith would?</p>
<p>Two days ago Susan Brooks Thislethwaite, a Professor at the Chicago Theological Seminary, writes of &#8220;<a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vYmxvZ3Mvb24tZmFpdGgvcG9zdC9tb2NraW5nLW1vcm1vbnMvMjAxMS8wNi8xNC9BR3dPSGtVSF9ibG9nLmh0bWw=">Mocking Mormons</a>.&#8221;  Professor Thislethwaite takes a slightly more benign view of &#8220;The Book of Mormon,&#8221; and tells Mormons &#8220;welcome to the American mainstream. Now, in order to join this fraternity, you need to go through the hazing.&#8221;  </p>
<blockquote><p>Other reviewers disagree, of course, that attacking faith or Mormonism is the goal of this musical. Mark Kennedy writes  for Associated Press that the “Book of Mormon” is “a pro-religion show at heart.” Why? Because it has an uplifting moral at the end. “Far from being nihilistic,” Kennedy writes, “the moral seems to endorse any belief system — no matter how crazy it sounds — if it helps do good. Amen to that. Consider us converted.” That’s about as watered-down a version of religion as you can get; but after all, Kennedy writes for the Associated Press, not Beliefnet, so what does he know? (That was a joke, Mark.)</p>
<p>&#8230;.</p>
<p>But that doesn’t mean that the “Book of Mormon” isn’t funny, especially if you like silly, sophomoric humor of the “South Park” variety&#8230;. What is offensive to some can be funny to others, but often precisely because it is offensive. Humor isn’t always kind; humor is routinely used to put minorities in their place. In the case of “The Book of Mormon,” the offensiveness seems to be the point, not the ‘doing good.’</p>
<p>Can Mormons ‘take a joke’? Like women in the workplace having to suffer through sexist jokes, I see this musical as a sign both that Mormons are moving into the mainstream of religion and culture, and that there is resistance to that.</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope Thislethwaite is right, I really do.  But John Mark Reynolds convinces me that we ought to watch the progress of this phenomenon closely, and with more than a little concern.</p>
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		<title>The Left Makes Trouble, Prop 8 Backwash, General Presidential Politics and Stuff We Find Interesting</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Schroeder</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Left&#8217;s First Mormon Strike of 2012? &#8230;Could very well be this Salon piece. If you&#8217;re a resident of one of nine seemingly randomly selected mid-sized (mostly) non-coastal American cities, you&#8217;re the lucky audience for a new series of commercials advertising&#8230; Mormons. They are not quite explicitly ads for the Church of Latter-day Saints, they [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>The Left&#8217;s First Mormon Strike of 2012?</h3>
<p>&#8230;Could very well be <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5zYWxvbi5jb20vbmV3cy9wb2xpdGljcy93YXJfcm9vbS8yMDEwLzA4LzA5L21vcm1vbl9hZF9jYW1wYWlnbg==" target=\"_blank\">this Salon piece</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>If you&#8217;re a resident of one of nine seemingly randomly selected  mid-sized (mostly) non-coastal American cities, you&#8217;re the lucky  audience for a new series of commercials advertising&#8230; Mormons. They  are not quite explicitly ads for the Church of Latter-day Saints, they  are just ads for Mormons, themselves. They are about how Mormons are  regular people who enjoy things like surfing and riding motorcycles.</em></p>
<p><em>[...]</em></p>
<p><em>Mormons, obviously, want to prove that they are regular people,  just like us, and some of them are even cool, young, attractive people  who ride skateboards.</em></p>
<p><em>But&#8230; are Mormons just trying to convince Americans that Mormons  are &#8220;normal,&#8221; so that in 2012 they&#8217;ll consider voting for Mormon King  Mitt Romney? (These ads are running in four or five potential swing  states, after all.)</em></p></blockquote>
<p>They do go on to report that the CJCLDS refutes the claim but as they say, the bell has rung.  There was reaction in <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3dhc2hpbmd0b25pbmRlcGVuZGVudC5jb20vOTQ0MjMvbW9ybW9ucy10YWtlLXRvLXRoZS1haXJ3YXZlcy1idXQtd2h5" target=\"_blank\">The Washington Independent</a>, a <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL2tka2EuY29tL2xvY2FsL01vcm1vbi5hZC5jYW1wYWlnbi4yLjE4NTc5NDYuaHRtbA==" target=\"_blank\">Pittsburgh TV station</a> and the <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5tb3Jtb250aW1lcy5jb20vYXJ0aWNsZS8xNjQzMC9Nb3Jtb24tVHdlbnR5c29tZXRoaW5nLURlYnVua2luZy1hLU1vcm1vblJvbW5leS1jb25zcGlyYWN5LXRoZW9yeT9zX2NpZD1xdWV1ZV90aXRsZSZhbXA7dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1xdWV1ZV90aXRsZQ==" target=\"_blank\">Mormon Times</a>.  <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ldmFuZ2VsaWNhbHNmb3JtaXR0Lm9yZy9mcm9udF9wYWdlL3RoZV9sZHNfYWRfY2FtcGFpZ25fYWNyb3NzX2FtZS5waHA=" target=\"_blank\">EFM passed it on</a>, and seemed to get in <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ldmFuZ2VsaWNhbHNmb3JtaXR0Lm9yZy9mcm9udF9wYWdlL3JlX2xkc19hZF9jYW1wYWlnbi5waHA=" target=\"_blank\">some hot water</a> &#8211; please people do not be so sensitive &#8211; EFM are the good guys.</p>
<p>I think we are beginning to see the Mormon meme developing as the left will likely deploy it.  Straight religious attack (&#8220;the founding whoppers of Mormonism&#8221;) is not going to play this time &#8211; it&#8217;s been delegitimized on both sides of the aisle.  However, with the passage of Prop 8 and the ensuing &#8220;blame the Mormons&#8221; cries that arose from the left, they have come to think of the CJCLDS as some sort of conspiratorial organization and the hidden hand of right wing forces.</p>
<p>We have seen the &#8220;Mormon Mafia&#8221; pieces in the business pubs recently.  Dan Brown&#8217;s completely fictitious novels (The DaVinci Code) have produced images of religious institutions as conspiratorial organizations bent on promulgating deceit and cover ups.   Watch this space, &#8220;Mormons as bilderbergers&#8221; may be the meme of choice for 2012.</p>
<p>And while we are on the subject, <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5zbHRyaWIuY29tL3NsdHJpYi9vcGluaW9uLzUwMDYwMDA1LTgyL2hhbm5pdHkta3NsLWNvbnNlcnZhdGl2ZS1zZWFuLmh0bWwuY3Nw" target=\"_blank\">this letter to the SLTrib concerning moves in talk radio</a> in the local market is not at all helpful:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>At a time when stellar and faithful Mormon Mitt Romney needs every ear,  now is not the time to cancel his strong supporter, Sean Hannity.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>If you are Mormon, do not vote for Romney because he is Mormon, any more than an Evangelical should vote against him because he is a Mormon.  And if you do support him for the right reasons, saying that in a public forum is just not helpful.</p>
<h3>Prop 8 Ruling Continues to Roil&#8230;</h3>
<p>An emailer poses a hypothetical:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8230;imagine this scenario: Judge Vaughn Walker is the proud father of seven  children, grandfather of eight, happily married for 42 years and a former LDS  stake president. He hears and carefully evaluates the same evidence presented  in the trial and writes a 12 page opinion validating the will of the people.  Do you think the media would dismiss his LDS and family views as  inconsequential to the result, much as they have discounted Judge Vaughn&#8217;s  homosexuality? I am convinced, given the well known impartiality of the  media, that they would ignore his background.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The emailer is, of course, being sarcastic.  And of course, it need not be a Mormon &#8211; if it were little &#8216;ol Presbyterian me, the point would hold just as well.  If the &#8220;shoe were on the other foot,&#8221; as it were, the media would have been all over the ruling like white on rice.  And the media is bad enough, but I am concerned legally about this.  Any right leaning judge with as much personally at stake in a case as Walker had in this one would have recused him (or her) self.  Walker&#8217;s ruling is, as best as I can tell, two things unprecedented in American national history:</p>
<ul>
<li>a blatant attack on religion as a moral force in our nation by the power of government, and</li>
<li>an attempt to rule by straightforward fiat on a level easily comparable to our days as a colony.</li>
</ul>
<p>As reaction, I thought <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL29ubGluZS53c2ouY29tL2FydGljbGUvU0IxMDAwMTQyNDA1Mjc0ODcwNDM4ODUwNDU3NTQxOTUyMTgxMjE4MzE1NC5odG1sP21vZD1kamVtRWRpdG9yaWFsUGFnZV9o" target=\"_blank\">this piece by William McGurn</a> was on point.</p>
<p>The effect this will have on the forthcoming elections is difficult to measure.  <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vd3AtZHluL2NvbnRlbnQvYXJ0aWNsZS8yMDEwLzA4LzA3L0FSMjAxMDA4MDcwMTY3Ny5odG1s" target=\"_blank\">Dan Balz seems to think the focus will remain on the economy</a>.  Looks like <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5maXJzdHRoaW5ncy5jb20vYmxvZ3MvZmlyc3R0aG91Z2h0cy8yMDEwLzA4LzEyL2dsZW5uLWJlY2stc2Vlcy1uby1oYXJtLWluLWdheS1tYXJyaWFnZS8=" target=\"_blank\">Glenn Beck does too</a>.  (So much for Mormon conspiracies!)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my analysis &#8211; As an issue, same sex marriage is likely to stay on the back-burner.  However, the effect of this ruling will be highly significant in an indirect fashion.  There is enormous resentment building in this nation against the currently empowered left as they are moving too far, too fast, and doing so by force without the overwhelming consent of the governed.  Walker&#8217;s ruling is indeed the most strident, direct and effrontive of those moves.  People flat out will not stand for it.</p>
<p>The next couple of election cycles are likely to transcend issues, they are going to be about tone, attitudes and the very definition of democracy.  Successful candidates are going to figure that out and ride that wave.  People that get too focused on issues are gong to miss the boat electorally.  The First Thoughts post I linked to above on Beck is trying to hammer Beck because they see abortion and marriage as the preeminent issues.  On the other end of the spectrum is our old pal Fred Karger <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy50aGVhdGxhbnRpYy5jb20vcG9saXRpY3MvYXJjaGl2ZS8yMDEwLzA4L2ZyZWQta2FyZ2VyLXRoZS1nYXktcmlnaHRzLWJvZ2V5bWFuLW9mLXRoZS1nb3AtcHJlc2lkZW50aWFsLXJhY2UvNjEyNzkv" target=\"_blank\">who has finally attracted some big time political press</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>If Karger makes it on stage in those debates, he&#8217;ll join a line of  single-issue candidates that have had some degree of success over the  years.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>There will be no room for &#8220;single issue candidates&#8221; this time around.  There is too much at stake.  The very heart of what it is the be the United States of America is in play.</p>
<p>Which brings me to&#8230;</p>
<h3>&#8230;2012 News</h3>
<p>I thought <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL2ZpcnN0cmVhZC5tc25iYy5tc24uY29tL19uZXdzLzIwMTAvMDgvMTAvNDg1NzUwOS1maXJzdC10aG91Z2h0cy13aGl0ZS1ob3VzZS10cmllcy10by1zbmFwLWxvc2luZy1zdHJlYWs=" target=\"_blank\">this MSNBC break down of the field was interesting</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>You can look at the emerging GOP 2012 field this way: the establishment  (Romney, Barbour), the new faces (Pawlenty, Daniels, Thune), the  evangelicals (Huckabee and Santorum), and the cable TV personas (Palin  and Gingrich).</em></p></blockquote>
<p>There is a lot of sorting to do before this gets serious, but that is a taxonomy that might prove useful.  <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy50aGVhdGxhbnRpYy5jb20vcG9saXRpY3MvYXJjaGl2ZS8yMDEwLzA4LzIwMTItaG9wZWZ1bHMtYXQtdGhlLWlvd2Etc3RhdGUtZmFpci82MTM5Ni8=" target=\"_blank\">Some of those folks are going to the Iowa State fair</a>, and some are not.  There is more strategy buried in who is and who is not than you might think.  Clearly <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5wb2xpdGljby5jb20vbmV3cy9zdG9yaWVzLzA4MTAvNDA4NzQuaHRtbA==" target=\"_blank\">Haley Barbour is making forays into Iowa</a>, but is he dropping the forty pounds?  <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uYXRpb25hbHJldmlldy5jb20vY29ybmVyLzI0MzcxNi9wb2xsLXJvbW5leS1wYWxpbi1sZWFkLWdvcC1maWVsZC1yb2JlcnQtY29zdGE=" target=\"_blank\">Romney and Palin are the clear leaders</a>, but I still do not think Palin is going to run.</p>
<p>There are some unsmart things happening.  <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5wb2xpdGljby5jb20vbmV3cy9zdG9yaWVzLzA4MTAvNDA5NzguaHRtbA==" target=\"_blank\">Politico wonders in &#8220;offbeat&#8221; candidates are going to hurt Republicans this time around</a>.  I do think the very high levels of resentment out there are going to result in some unusual choices.  The party is going to have to tread very lightly as it works its way through this minefield of resentment.  Not all the candidates Politico is attempting to cast as &#8220;offbeat&#8221; are that bad, and they are preferable to the Democrat mainstream, but it is going to be interesting.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5zaW91eGNpdHlqb3VybmFsLmNvbS9uZXdzL3N0YXRlLWFuZC1yZWdpb25hbC9pb3dhL2FydGljbGVfMDI2Y2E0ZDYtNzgxYy0xMWRmLWJlZTctMDAxY2M0YzAzMjg2Lmh0bWw=" target=\"_blank\">This is not offbeat, it&#8217;s stupid</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>An influential group of religious conservatives said Monday it would sit out the fall gubernatorial election as promised after candidates it favored lost in last week&#8217;s Republican primary.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And thus the fallacies of &#8220;one issue&#8221; are revealed.  They don&#8217;t get what they want and so they don&#8217;t get anything at all.  In politics there are lots of battles, and as we have seen here, when we only fight a few, we lose the bigger picture.</p>
<p>And in closing, <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3BvbGl0aWNhbHdpcmUuY29tL2FyY2hpdmVzLzIwMTAvMDgvMTQvcXVvdGVfb2ZfdGhlX2RheS5odG1sP3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9ZmVlZGJ1cm5lciZhbXA7dXRtX21lZGl1bT1mZWVkJmFtcDt1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249RmVlZCUzQStQb2xpdGljYWxXaXJlKyUyOFBvbGl0aWNhbCtXaXJlJTI5JmFtcDt1dG1fY29udGVudD1CbG9nbGluZXM=" target=\"_blank\">let&#8217;s consider what our illustrious president said Friday evening concerning the ground zero mosque</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be  unshakeable.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Let&#8217;s see how much he reminds his supporters of that should his 2012 opponent be a Mormon.</p>
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		<title>About That Prop 8 Decision&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 05:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Schroeder</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Proposition 8]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[&#8230;time and employment have not permitted Lowell or I to review the decision in detail.  To that caveat I will also add that I am neither a lawyer nor a legal scholar, so any review I might do of the ruling will be limited.  However, that said my eye was drawn by a quick document [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;time and employment have not permitted Lowell or I to review <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5sYXRpbWVzLmNvbS9tZWRpYS9hY3JvYmF0LzIwMTAtMDgvNTUzNjcxNzIucGRm" target=\"_blank\">the decision</a> in detail.  To that caveat I will also add that I am neither a lawyer nor a legal scholar, so any review I might do of the ruling will be limited.  However, that said my eye was drawn by a quick document search for the word &#8220;religion&#8221; to the following.  On the question:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>WHETHER THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT PROPOSITION 8 ENACTED A PRIVATE MORAL VIEW WITHOUT ADVANCING A LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT INTEREST</em></p></blockquote>
<p>The judge found:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>77.  Religious beliefs that gay and lesbian relationships are sinful or inferior to heterosexual relationships harm gays and lesbians.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>That is extraordinary.  There is nothing neutral in a legal ruling that religion does harm.  It is particularly extraordinary when across the continent in New York City officials seem to be bending over backwards to distinguish between religion and the idiots within the religion that caused more than &#8220;harm,&#8221; they caused the death of thousands of Americans, and their business associates from around the world.</p>
<p>It also ignores the fundamental belief of virtually all persons of faith that all people are guilty of sin.  That being true there is virtually no step from this ruling and having to ban religion altogether as discriminatory towards everyone because the religion holds that everyone has sinned and is therefore harmed..</p>
<p>It is also interesting to note that the finding implies that calling a homosexual relationship sinful is a &#8220;private moral view&#8221; but that saying it is not sinful is an amoral statement.  The fact of the matter is that the question is inherently moral.  It is equally demonstrable that forcing me to view a homosexual commitment ceremony causes me harm for I certainly hold my religious identity as dear as any homosexual holds their sexual identity.</p>
<p>The ruling, as so many have said is unsurprising.  It also appears to me untrained eye to be the worst case of judicial abuse of power in our nation&#8217;s history.  <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5wb3dlcmxpbmVibG9nLmNvbS9hcmNoaXZlcy8yMDEwLzA4LzAyNjkyMy5waHA=" target=\"_blank\">Powerline&#8217;s Paul Mirengoff said</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8230;Judge Walker&#8217;s decision is the fruit of a lengthy process through which  an elite within the legal profession has worked tirelessly in an effort  to blur, hopelessly, the distinction between the law and personal  preferences of that elite.  If the decision stands, its main impact will  be a diminution, probably past the tipping point, of public confidence  in the law and the courts.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a pretty good summation. But I fear the ramifications will be even broader in the long run.  This decision as written appears, again to my untrained eye, to severely erode the legitimate position of religion in our greater public discourse.  If we no longer trust the law and courts and religion is delegitimized as a source of moral authority in the nation &#8211; only chaos can ensue.  Such has brought down empires.</p>
<p>Are we to go the way of the ancient Roman Empire?</p>
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		<title>Possibles, Pundits, Polls and 40 Pounds&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.article6blog.com/2010/02/25/possibles-pundits-polls-and-40-pounds/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Schroeder</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Political Strategy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Proposition 8]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Starting With Our Friend Mike Huckabee . . . The Huckster was typically petulant about his non-appearance at CPAC last weekend.   Of course, such a  &#8220;rift&#8221; among Republicans is cause for a story from the press.  Which leads me to this bit by James Lewis at &#8220;American Thinker:&#8221; See a pattern? If they can&#8217;t win honestly, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>Starting With Our Friend Mike Huckabee . . .</h3>
<p>The Huckster was typically petulant about his non-appearance at CPAC last weekend.   Of course, <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9udGltZXMuY29tL25ld3MvMjAxMC9mZWIvMjMvaHVja2FiZWVzLWNvbW1lbnRzLWV4cG9zZS1yaWZ0LW9uLXRoZS1yaWdodC8/dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJmFtcDt1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJmFtcDt1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249bmV3c2xldHRlcl9tdXN0LXJlYWQtc3Rvcmllcy10b2RheQ==" target=\"_blank\">such a  &#8220;rift&#8221; among Republicans is cause for a story from the press</a>.  Which leads me to <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hbWVyaWNhbnRoaW5rZXIuY29tLzIwMTAvMDIvdGhlX2xlZnRfd2lsbF90cnlfdG9fc3BsaXRfdGhlLmh0bWw=" target=\"_blank\">this bit by James Lewis at &#8220;American Thinker:</a>&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p><em>See a pattern? If they can&#8217;t win honestly, the Left is happy to split the conservative vote by hook or by crook. They do it all the time. </em></p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hcnRpY2xlNmJsb2cuY29tL3dwLWNvbnRlbnQvdXBsb2Fkcy9oZWF2eUh1Y2suanBn"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1941" title="heavyHuck" src="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/uploads/heavyHuck-300x208.jpg" alt="heavyHuck" width="300" height="208" /></a>Which leads me to wonder whose side the Huckster is on anyway?  And while we are discussing Huck it seems that he was in Iowa this week, and according to <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5kZXNtb2luZXNyZWdpc3Rlci5jb20vYXJ0aWNsZS8yMDEwMDIyNS9ORVdTMDkvMjI1MDM1My8tMS9TUE9SVFMxMi9IdWNrYWJlZS12aXNpdHMtSW93YS1idXQtc2hvd3Mtbm8tc2lnbnMtb2YtcnVubmluZy1mb3ItcHJlc2lkZW50" target=\"_blank\">the Des Moines Register, &#8220;shows no signs of running for president.</a>&#8220;  The picture at left here is what appeared with the piece.  It put me in mind of the oft-repeated quote from Haley Barbour at CPAC last weekend, &#8220;If you see me lose 40 pounds, you&#8217;ll know I&#8217;m running for president&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say the Register is dead nuts on with that one.</p>
<h3>The Book Tour Begins . . .</h3>
<p>Actually not.  The tour for <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hbWF6b24uY29tL05vLUFwb2xvZ3ktQ2FzZS1BbWVyaWNhbi1HcmVhdG5lc3MvZHAvMDMxMjYwOTgwOS9yZWY9c3JfMV8xP2llPVVURjgmYW1wO3M9Ym9va3MmYW1wO3FpZD0xMjY3MTM4MTEyJmFtcDtzcj04LTE=" target=\"_blank\">No Apology</a> does not officially kick off until <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5mYWNlYm9vay5jb20vZXZlbnQucGhwP2VpZD0zNTU5NTYzNzEzNjcmYW1wO3JlZj1uZg==" target=\"_blank\">3/13 in SLC</a>, but the pre-release copies are out and the discussion is getting hot and heavy.  Not to mention, <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL21lZGlhZGVjb2Rlci5ibG9ncy5ueXRpbWVzLmNvbS8yMDEwLzAyLzIzL25leHQtd2Vlay1vbi1sZXR0ZXJtYW4tcm9tbmV5LXNlaW5mZWxkLWFuZC1tYXR0LWRhbW9uLw==" target=\"_blank\">Romney is on Letterman next week</a>.  The discussion of the week concerned <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5kZXRuZXdzLmNvbS9hcnRpY2xlLzIwMTAwMjI0L1BPTElUSUNTMDIvMjI0MDMzNC8xMDIyL0xPQ0FML0dNLS1DbGFpbXMtaW4tUm9tbmV5LWJvb2stYXJlLWZhbHNl" target=\"_blank\">Romney&#8217;s assertion in the book that the White House is &#8220;calling shots&#8221; at GM</a>.   I thought <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3BsYW5ldGdvcmUubmF0aW9uYWxyZXZpZXcuY29tL3Bvc3QvP3E9Wm1KbFpUZzROV0V3TlRBd1pETTROMlJqWkdNMlpqWXdOamt3WW1VMk5EYz0=" target=\"_blank\">this NRO &#8220;Planet Gore&#8221; post</a> took care of that pretty readily.</p>
<p>One more thing before we leave Romney:  <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ueWRhaWx5bmV3cy5jb20vb3BpbmlvbnMvMjAxMC8wMi8yNS8yMDEwLTAyLTI1X3JlaW52ZW50aW9uX3JvbW5leXN0eWxlLmh0bWw=" target=\"_blank\">Was the rapper/plane incident pivotal</a>?  My thought is that if you are the kind of person that thinks TMZ is &#8220;news&#8221; then maybe, but if you are someone that actually pays attention to things like issues, probably not.</p>
<h3>The Others . . .</h3>
<p><a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5wb2xpdGljc2RhaWx5LmNvbS8yMDEwLzAyLzI0L3RoZS1jYXNlLWZvci1rZWVwaW5nLW1pdGNoLWRhbmllbHMtb24tdGhlLWdvcC1zaG9ydC1saXN0LWZvci13aGkv" target=\"_blank\">Thoughts on Mitch Daniels</a>.  Interesting &#8211; good stuff, but I&#8217;m telling you, if Daniels runs this time it will be with a gun to his head.  Not a winning formula.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5wb2xpdGljby5jb20vbmV3cy9zdG9yaWVzLzAyMTAvMzM0NDEuaHRtbA==" target=\"_blank\">Palin continues to poll</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3BvbGl0aWNzLnRoZWF0bGFudGljLmNvbS8yMDEwLzAyL3RoZV8yMDEyX2RhcmtfaG9yc2VfaXMucGhw" target=\"_blank\">Read this</a> and remember.  Marc Ambinder, while very smart, is a leftie with a vested interest in stirring the Republican pot.</p>
<p>Our best sources tell us Thune is in, so <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL2hvdGxpbmVvbmNhbGwubmF0aW9uYWxqb3VybmFsLmNvbS9hcmNoaXZlcy8yMDEwLzAyL3RodW5lX2J1enpfY291bC5waHA=" target=\"_blank\">this is more than &#8220;buzz</a>.&#8221;</p>
<h3>Religion and Politics . . .</h3>
<p>There was a conference between Catholics and Mormons this week at BYU.  Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5kZXNlcmV0bmV3cy5jb20vYXJ0aWNsZS83MDAwMTE1MDcvTERTLUNhdGhvbGljcy1tdXN0LWRlZmVuZC1yZWxpZ2lvdXMtZnJlZWRvbS1jYXJkaW5hbC1zYXlzLWF0LUJZVS5odG1s" target=\"_blank\">the Deseret News coverage</a> and <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5ieXViLm9yZy90YWxrcy9UYWxrLmFzcHg/aWQ9MzkzMw==" target=\"_blank\">the audio and video is here</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>&#8220;In recent years, Catholics and members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have stood more frequently side by side in the public square to defend human life and dignity,&#8221; Cardinal Francis George told nearly 12,000 students, faculty and community members gathered Tuesday at BYU.</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;I&#8217;m personally grateful that after 180 years of living mostly apart from one another, Catholics and Latter-day Saints have begun to see each other as trustworthy partners in defense of shared moral principles.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>You know, Evangelicals might find themselves on the outside looking in when it comes to political activism when solid alliances like this get built.</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vd3AtZHluL2NvbnRlbnQvYXJ0aWNsZS8yMDEwLzAyLzIzL0FSMjAxMDAyMjMwNTEwMy5odG1sP3dwcnNzPXJzc19wb2xpdGljcw==" target=\"_blank\">the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, secularism is not all it&#8217;s cracked up to be</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>American foreign policy is handicapped by a narrow, ill-informed and &#8220;uncompromising Western secularism&#8221; that feeds religious extremism, threatens traditional cultures and fails to encourage religious groups that promote peace and human rights, according to a two-year study by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs.</em></p>
<p><em>The council&#8217;s 32-member task force, which included former government officials and scholars representing all major faiths, delivered its report to the White House on Tuesday. The report warns of a serious &#8220;capabilities gap&#8221; and recommends that <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy53aG9ydW5zZ292LmNvbS9Qcm9maWxlcy9CYXJhY2tfT2JhbWE=">President Obama</a> make religion &#8220;an integral part of our foreign policy.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And note that religion <em>generally</em>, NOT religion <em>specifically</em>, is what matters.  Because <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5wb2xpdGljc2RhaWx5LmNvbS8yMDEwLzAyLzI1L3lvdW5nLWFkdWx0cy1kb2luZy1yZWxpZ2lvbi1vbi10aGVpci1vd24tYmxhbWUtaXQtb24tcG9saXRpY3Mv" target=\"_blank\">tying religion and politics too tightly is not good for religion either</a>.  It is interesting that in the UK, <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5mdC5jb20vY21zL3MvMi8xMjQwMDU5Ni0xNmFjLTExZGYtYWEwOS0wMDE0NGZlYWI0OWEuaHRtbA==" target=\"_blank\">conservatives are suspicious of religious influence</a>.  (HT: <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL2RvdXRoYXQuYmxvZ3Mubnl0aW1lcy5jb20vMjAxMC8wMi8yNS90aGUtY2hyaXN0aWFuLXRvcmllcy8=" target=\"_blank\">Ross Douthat</a>)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL21lcmVvcnRob2RveHkuY29tLz9wPTI0NDM=" target=\"_blank\">That also seems to be a concern among younger Evangelicals in this country</a>.  My friend Matt Anderson thinks the problem is the appropriation of religious language for discussing American exceptionalism.  I think such a mixture of language is unavoidable.  It&#8217;s where the whole problem we look at on this blog arises.  For the average American politics, patriotism, and religion are matters to a great extent of faith.  Most people, through lack of interest or capability simply do not understand how the nation works, anymore than they understand how church works. They approach both in much the same fashion.  That language would bleed from one to the other is almost unavoidable.</p>
<p>The difference lies in the fact that church really is an institution of faith, while government is an institution of immense practicality.  As long as we have to convince people to vote one way or the other, we will borrow the tools of religion which is also in the convincing business.   The question is how to motivate people to learn more how their government works.  But then that&#8217;s a problem the church has as well.</p>
<h3>Lowell adds . . .</h3>
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<p><strong>Mike Huckabee&#8217;s weight</strong> is not something we bring up to poke fun.  It&#8217;s simply an indication that he probably isn&#8217;t running in 2012, unless we see a rapid and dramatic weight loss.  In addition to the photo John posts above, take a look at the video clip <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5mb3huZXdzLmNvbS9zZWFyY2gtcmVzdWx0cy9tLzI5MTYxNjc0L2h1Y2thYmVlLXMtb3Bpbmlvbi0yLTIwLmh0bSNxPWh1Y2thYmVl">here</a>.  That&#8217;s a far different Huck than the one we saw jogging with reporters back in 2007.</p>
<p>As for interfaith alliances, it will be interesting to see if Mormons and Evangelicals can openly join forces on matters of joint interest the way Mormons and Catholics are doing that. A lot of progress in that direction was made in California&#8217;s Prop 8 election, but the uneasiness remains.  That&#8217;s a subject for another post, I think.  Maybe for a book!</p>
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		<title>Maine and Gay Marriage: &#8220;Mormons still to blame, somehow?&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.article6blog.com/2009/11/06/maine-and-gay-marriage-mormons-still-to-blame-somehow/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lowell Brown</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Proposition 8]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Same-sex marriage]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Mollie Hemingway at GetReligion has done a survey and analysis of MSM coverage on Maine&#8217;s Question 1, which passed Tuesday night and overturned the Maine Legislature&#8217;s approval of same-sex marriage.  The entire piece is worth reading.  Among other things, Mollie notes the odd way in which the MSM focuses on the religious background of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=TW9ybW9ucyBzdGlsbCB0byBibGFtZSwgc29tZWhvdw==" target=\"_blank\">Mollie Hemingway at GetReligion</a> has done a survey and analysis of MSM coverage on <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5iYW5nb3JkYWlseW5ld3MuY29tL2RldGFpbC8xMjQ3NDQuaHRtbA==" target=\"_blank\">Maine&#8217;s Question 1</a>, which passed Tuesday night and overturned the Maine Legislature&#8217;s approval of same-sex marriage.  The entire piece is worth reading.  Among other things, Mollie notes the odd way in which the MSM focuses on the religious background of the Yes On 1 campaign&#8217;s backers, including the apparently unquestioned assertion that the National Organization for Marriage &#8220;is a stalking horse for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.&#8221;  Here&#8217;s one paragraph:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">It’s so interesting to me that so many of these stories about the Yes on 1 victory in Maine portray it as a loss for gay activists. But that similar focus isn’t brought to bear on the scrutiny of the groups that are involved in the effort to legalize same-sex marriage. I mean, I’m on a bunch of denominational news list-servs and there were plenty of religious groups fighting this ballot initiative and working to keep same-sex marriage legal in Maine. Why don’t they get the same scrutiny as the Mormons, who actually may have had no discernible role in the Maine campaign? It’s just odd.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my understanding that the LDS Church indeed provided no organizational support to Yes On 1, so it&#8217;s all the more curious that its name is being bandied about in the &#8220;news&#8221; coverage of the election.</p>
<p><strong>John thinks about it a bit:</strong></p>
<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/authors/JohnS-1.jpg" alt="" width="73" height="100" />What fascinated me about the piece was how incredibly convoluted was the argument to arrive at the conclusion that the whole thing was some sort of Mormon plot.  It was a conspiracy theory on the order of the bilderburgrs.</p>
<p>These theories gain traction because the proponents of same sex marriage are so convinced of the rightness of their stance that they believe there must be an &#8220;unbelievable&#8221; conspiracy for them to be defeated.  The Mormons are singled out as the conspiracy&#8217;s source based in part on the tightly held nature of some of their practices (a vacuum, even an innocent one, is always filled) and because it plays on age old prejudices.</p>
<p>What saddens me is that we have recently been treated to two rather elaborate, and popular, movies that paint the Roman Catholic church in similar conspiratorial terms.  Can the rest of Christianity be far behind?  Our philosophical and political opponents seek not merely to defeat us in the ballot box, but to portray us as purposefully evil.  All the more reason for us to unify, not bicker.</p>
<p>Which brings me to what frightens me.  Within the &#8220;Tea Party&#8221; movement, and the other &#8220;true conservative&#8221; movements are elements that are looking for such conspiracies.  Like some proponents of same sex marriage, some pro-lifers and some opposition to same-sex marriage is so convinced of the sheer rightness of their stance, that they believe opposition must be born of conspiracy.  But worse, the same age-old prejudices are at play and so, without realizing it, they buy the conspiracies of the left and look within their own party for the conspiracies.  We are then rent asunder and the left prevails because of our disunity.</p>
<p>Which raises the question of whether or not the perceived conspiracy theories of the left are really conspiracy theories at all, or whether they are strategic efforts on the part of the left.  Now <em>there</em> is a conspiracy.  But then reason prevails and tells us that many on the left are sincere, if misguided, in their conspiratorial concerns, but  there are some willing to use that sincerity a bit more cynically.  And in turn, they use our &#8220;sincerity&#8221; to their advantage as well.</p>
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		<title>Dallin Oaks, Religious Freedom, Proposition 8, and . . . Keith Olbermann?</title>
		<link>http://www.article6blog.com/2009/10/14/dallin-oaks-religious-freedom-proposition-8-and-keith-olbermann/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lowell Brown</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Proposition 8]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;ve been a little delayed in getting to the story of the speech Elder Dallin Oaks gave yesterday on religious freedom.  Already the speech has caused a bit of a stir.  As I read the transcript, I find that result fascinating, because I am hard-pressed to find much controversy in it.  Please read the speech; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been a little delayed in getting to the story of <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL25ld3Nyb29tLmxkcy5vcmcvbGRzbmV3c3Jvb20vZW5nL25ld3MtcmVsZWFzZXMtc3Rvcmllcy9yZWxpZ2lvdXMtZnJlZWRvbQ==" target=\"_blank\">the speech Elder Dallin Oaks gave yesterday</a> on religious freedom.  Already the speech has caused a bit of a stir.  As I read <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL25ld3Nyb29tLmxkcy5vcmcvbGRzbmV3c3Jvb20vZW5nL25ld3MtcmVsZWFzZXMtc3Rvcmllcy9yZWxpZ2lvdXMtZnJlZWRvbQ==" target=\"_blank\">the transcript</a>, I find that result fascinating, because I am hard-pressed to find much controversy in it.  Please read the speech; it is not long, or difficult, or complex.</p>
<h3><strong>So what is the controversy all about?</strong></h3>
<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1461" title="Oaks_medium" src="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/uploads/Oaks_medium-271x300.jpg" alt="Oaks_medium" width="271" height="300" />Elder Oaks is member of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles of te Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the &#8220;Church&#8221;). He&#8217;s also a lawyer, a former professor of law at the University of Chicago, past President of BYU, and a former member of the Utah Supreme Court.  He is a formidable legal and political thinker and a clear writer.   His speech, given to students at BYU-Idaho (a college owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or &#8220;the Church&#8221;), has a simple thesis:  There is a &#8220;battle&#8221; underway over &#8220;the meaning of religious freedom under the United States Constitution,&#8221; and that battle &#8220;is of eternal importance.&#8221;  Nothing terribly surprising there, coming from a churchman.  The controversy has arisen from Elder Oaks&#8217; comments about what is happening now in the arena of religious freedom in the USA:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Unpopular minority religions are especially dependent upon a constitutional guarantee of free exercise of religion. We are fortunate to have such a guarantee in the United States, but many nations do not. The importance of that guarantee in the United States should make us ever diligent to defend it. </em><strong><em>And it is in need of being defended. During my lifetime I have seen a significant deterioration in the respect accorded to religion in our public life, and I believe that the vitality of religious freedom is in danger of being weakened accordingly.</em></strong> (Emphasis added.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Then Elder Oaks zeroed in on the problem of  &#8220;silencing religious voices in the public square&#8221; and in the process, used the Proposition 8 battle as an example.</p>
<p>In other words, he touched the &#8220;third rail&#8221; of the modern culture war:  gay marriage.   It&#8217;s important to note that Edler Oaks did not talk about gay marriage, only about the reaction to the active involvement of the Church and its members in supporting Proposition 8.  In other words, the Oaks speech was about religious freedom, but<a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL2Fzb2Z0YW5zd2VyLmNvbS8yMDA5LzEwLzE0L2tlaXRoLW9sYmVybWFubi1kZWNsYXJlcy1lbGRlci1vYWtzLW9uZS1vZi10aGUtd29yc2UtcGVvcGxlLWluLXRoZS13b3JsZC8=" target=\"_blank\"> it somehow earned him designation as one of the&#8221;worst people in the world&#8221; by MSNBC&#8217;s Keith Olbermann</a>.  (A badge of honor to some, I suppose.)</p>
<h3><strong>The Key Points of The Speech</strong></h3>
<p>So what did Elder Oaks say to incite such a venomous attack from the wild-swinging Olbermann?  Well, this:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>For example, a prominent gay-rights spokesman gave this explanation for his objection to our Church’s position on California’s Proposition 8:</em></p>
<blockquote><p>“I’m not intending it to harm the religion. I think they do wonderful things. Nicest people. . . . My single goal is to get them out of the same-sex marriage business and back to helping hurricane victims.”</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Aside from the obvious fact that this objection would deny free speech as well as religious freedom to members of our Church and its [Prop 8] coalition partners, there are other reasons why the public square must be open to religious ideas and religious persons. As Richard John Neuhaus said many years ago, “In a democracy that is free and robust, an opinion is no more disqualified for being ‘religious’ than for being atheistic, or psychoanalytic, or Marxist, or just plain dumb.”</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Still looking for a statement worthy of &#8220;worst people in the world&#8221; designation?  Maybe it was this:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>[W]we must speak with love, always showing patience, understanding and compassion toward our adversaries. We are under command to love our neighbor (Luke 10:27), to forgive all men (Doctrine and Covenants 64:10), to do good to them who despitefully use us (Matthew 5:44) and to conduct our teaching in mildness and meekness (Doctrine and Covenants 38:41).</em></p>
<p><em>Even as we seek to speak with love, we must not be surprised when our positions are ridiculed and we are persecuted and reviled. As the Savior said, “so persecuted they the prophets which were before you” (Matthew 5:12). And modern revelation commands us not to revile against revilers (Doctrine and Covenants 19:30).</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Well, no, it probably wasn&#8217;t that.  Maybe it was this:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>[W]e must not be deterred or coerced into silence by the kinds of intimidation I have described. We must insist on our constitutional right and duty to exercise our religion, to vote our consciences on public issues and to participate in elections and debates in the public square and the halls of justice. These are the rights of all citizens and they are also the rights of religious leaders.  While our church rarely speaks on public issues, it does so by exception on what the First Presidency defines as significant moral issues, which could surely include laws affecting the fundamental legal/cultural/moral environment of our communities and nations.</em></p>
<p><em>We must also insist on this companion condition of democratic government: when churches and their members or any other group act or speak out on public issues, win or lose, they have a right to expect freedom from retaliation.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Uh-oh.  Now we are getting somewhere.  Elder Oaks seems to be about to decry the retaliation and intimidation that Prop 8 opponents employed against Mormons &#8211; and many others &#8211; who supported Prop 8.  I am talking about the publication of maps showing the homes of individuals who donated to the Yes on 8 campaign; boycotts of their businesses; identification of Mormons among the public lists of donors to the Yes campaign; and other admitted efforts at intimidating voters from exercising their Constitutional rights.</p>
<p>This is no joke, by the way.  I remember hearing Fred Karger, the leader of the charmingly named Californians Against Hate, say on the Al Rantel show (KABC radio, Los Angeles) that the reason donors were being identified and harassed was to make sure they thought twice about donating the next time there is an election about same-sex marriage.</p>
<p>These two paragraphs are probably the most controversial of Elder Oaks&#8217; speech:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Along with many others, we were disappointed with what we experienced in the aftermath of California’s adoption of Proposition 8, including vandalism of church facilities and harassment of church members by firings and boycotts of member businesses and by retaliation against donors. Mormons were the targets of most of this, but it also hit other churches in the pro-8 coalition and other persons who could be identified as supporters. Fortunately, some recognized such retaliation for what it was. A full-page ad in the <strong>New York Times</strong> branded this “violence and intimidation” against religious organizations and individual believers “simply because they supported Proposition 8 [as] an outrage that must stop.” The fact that this ad was signed by some leaders who had no history of friendship for our faith only added to its force.</em></p>
<p><em>It is important to note that while this aggressive intimidation in connection with the Proposition 8 election was primarily directed at religious persons and symbols, it was not anti-religious as such. These incidents were expressions of outrage against those who disagreed with the gay-rights position and had prevailed in a public contest. <em>As such, these incidents of “violence and intimidation” are not so much anti-religious as anti-democratic. <strong>In their effect they are like the well-known and widely  condemned voter-intimidation of blacks in the South that produced corrective federal civil-rights legislation.</strong></em></em></p></blockquote>
<p>(Emphasis added.)  The bolded language seems to have driven some people up a wall.  Note:  Elder Oaks did not compare the harassment of Mormons and other Proposition 8 supporters to the evils inflicted on African-Americans during the civil rights era.  He instead addressed the <em>effect </em>of those &#8220;incidents of violence and intimidation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Elder Oaks also said &#8220;we must insist on our freedom to preach the &#8220;doctrines of our faith,&#8221; and that</p>
<blockquote><p><em><em>&#8220;as advocates of the obvious truth that persons with religious positions or motivations have the right to express their religious views in public, we must nevertheless be wise in our political participation. . . . even the civil rights of religionists must be exercised legally and wisely. . . . The call of conscience — whether religious or otherwise — requires no secular justification. At the same time, religious persons will often be most persuasive in political discourse by framing arguments and positions in ways that are respectful of those who do not share their religious beliefs and that contribute to the reasoned discussion and compromise that is essential  in a pluralistic society.&#8221;</em></em></p></blockquote>
<p>Not exactly firebrand stuff, is it?  Finally, and going right to the reason for this blog&#8217;s existence, Elder Oaks talked about . . . Article VI of the Constitution!</p>
<blockquote><p><em><em>[F]inally, Latter-day Saints must be careful never to support or act upon the idea that a person must subscribe to some particular set of religious beliefs in order to qualify for a public office. The framers of our constitution included a provision that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States” (Article VI). That             constitutional principle forbids a religious test as a <strong>legal</strong> requirement, but it of course leaves citizens             free to cast their votes on the basis of any preference they             choose. But wise religious leaders and members will never advocate religious tests for public office.</em></em></p>
<p><em><em>Fragile freedoms are best preserved when not employed beyond their intended purpose. If a candidate is seen to be rejected at the ballot box primarily because of religious belief or affiliation, the precious free exercise of religion is weakened at its foundation,  especially when this reason for rejection has been advocated by other religionists. Such advocacy suggests that if religionists prevail in electing their preferred candidate this will lead to the use of government power in support of their religious beliefs and practices. The religion of a candidate should not be an issue in a political campaign.</em></em></p></blockquote>
<p>We couldn&#8217;t have said that better ourselves.</p>
<h3><em>The Upshot</em></h3>
<p>So, Elder Oaks said, in essence, that religious expression is under fire in the United States and that religious people (indeed, all people) ought to be able to speak peaceably in the public square, about public issues, without fear of retaliation for doing so.  That earned him the brickbats of the Left &#8211; who thus ironically proved Elder Oaks&#8217; point.</p>
<p>Talk radio host and cultural commentator Dennis Prager often says that the Left believes that because they are inherently and unquestionably right, their tactics can never be legitimately questioned.  The reaction to the Oaks speech certainly seems to support that thesis.  A calm, closely-reasoned speech that urges love and tolerance, but that also urges that religious people should be able respectfully to stand their ground on moral issues, without fear of retaliation, produces a firestorm of criticism.</p>
<p>Good.   That means the debate is going on.  May the best, most principled arguments win.</p>
<p><strong>John adds his thoughts:</strong></p>
<p><strong><img class="alignleft" src="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/authors/JohnS-1.jpg" alt="" width="73" height="100" /></strong><em>I am pleased to see officials of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints<strong> </strong>stand up for their civil rights in this fashion<strong>. </strong>In doing so they defend not only their own rights, but the rights of all people of all faiths.  That is something that is very important to remember.  We of the more orthodox Christian faith expressions as well as other non-Christian faiths are indebted to Elder Oaks for this speech.  We need to stand beside out Mormon friends in this &#8211; something this blog has insisted upon from the very beginning.</em></p>
<p><em>My favorite part of the speech is where Elder Oaks points out that in declaring a &#8220;violation of their civil rights&#8221; so violently and destructively, proponents of Prop 8 violated those same civil rights of the people the aimed their protests towards.  Americans will always disagree, but we must do so civilly.  Freedom is only free if it applies equally to all.  We learned that the hard way through the Civil War and the Civil Rights Movement &#8211; it&#8217;s in the Declaration of Independence for crying out loud!<strong><br />
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<p><em>Again, kudos to Elder Oaks for standing up in this fashion. This Evangelical Presbyterian stands squarely with him and this speech as should persons of faith of all stripes.</em><em><br />
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		<title>Politics, same-sex marriage and &#8220;the Mormon bogey&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lowell Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[All weekend long John and I have been reflecting on Friday&#8217;s Washington Post piece, &#8216;The Mormons Are Coming!&#8217;  John found it almost funny (he comments below); I found it both fascinating and revealing.  The reporter, Karl Vick, seems pretty clear-eyed about what is happening.  For example, Vick notes that Proposition 8 likely would not have passed [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hcnRpY2xlNmJsb2cuY29tL3dwLWNvbnRlbnQvdXBsb2Fkcy9pbnZhZGVycy0yLmpwZw==" title=\"invaders-2.jpg\"><img align="right" src="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/uploads/invaders-2.jpg" alt="invaders-2.jpg" /></a>All weekend long John and I have been reflecting on Friday&#8217;s Washington Post piece, <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9ucG9zdC5jb20vd3AtZHluL2NvbnRlbnQvYXJ0aWNsZS8yMDA5LzA1LzI4L0FSMjAwOTA1MjgwMzU3My5odG1sP2hwaWQ9dG9wbmV3cw==">&#8216;The Mormons Are Coming!&#8217;</a>  John found it almost funny (he comments below); I found it both fascinating and revealing.  The reporter, Karl Vick, seems pretty clear-eyed about what is happening.  For example, Vick notes that Proposition 8 likely would not have passed in California without the support provided by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  He then matter-of-factly adds that some gay marriage advocates on the East Coast</p>
<blockquote><p>are shouting that fact in the streets, calculating that on an issue that eventually comes down to comfort levels, <em>more people harbor apprehensions about Mormons than about homosexuality</em>. [Emphasis added.]</p></blockquote>
<p>Well.  That makes the point pretty clearly, doesn&#8217;t it?   Playing on the electorate&#8217;s fears about a minority religious faith can help you win an election.  It sure worked for Mike Huckabee in Iowa, but no one came right out and said that the way Karl Vick did here.</p>
<p>In a way this is helpful because the tactic is now out of the shadows:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The Mormons are coming! The Mormons are coming!&#8221; warned ads placed on newspaper Web sites in three Eastern states last month. The ad was rejected by sites in three other states, including Maine, where the Kennebec Journal informed Californians Against Hate that the copy &#8220;borders on insulting and denigrating a whole set of people based on their religion.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That language &#8220;borders on insulting and denigrating a whole set of people based on their religion.&#8221;  You think?</p>
<p>Apply my favorite test for bigotry, which John and I have often used here:  Insert &#8220;Jew&#8221; or &#8220;Muslim,&#8221; &#8220;Catholic,&#8221; or &#8220;gay&#8221; in the above-quoted ad language and ask yourself if the advertisers could <em>ever </em>get away with such a tactic.</p>
<p>Nope, they couldn&#8217;t, could they?  Vick, to his credit, continues with a clear-eyed view of what is going on:</p>
<blockquote><p>But <em>the demographics tempt proponents of same-sex marriage</em>: Mormons account for just 2 percent of the U.S. population, and they are scarce outside the West. Nearly eight in 10 Americans personally know or work with a gay person, according to a recent Newsweek survey. Only 48 percent, meanwhile, know a Mormon, according to a Pew Research Center poll.  [Emphasis added.]</p></blockquote>
<p>So now that we know what&#8217;s really happening, we get to the real question:  <em>Is that tactic legitimate?</em>  One political expert quoted in the article doesn&#8217;t address that question, but focuses on the tactic&#8217;s <em>effectiveness</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Is it fruitful to use the Mormon bogey?&#8221; said Mark Silk, a professor of religion and public life at Trinity College in Connecticut. &#8220;My sense is that there aren&#8217;t great risks to it. Once a religious institution is going to inject itself into a public fight, which the LDS did in a straight-up way, then I think people are prepared to say, &#8216;Well, okay, you&#8217;re on that side and we&#8217;re against you.&#8217;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words, once a church takes a position on a public issue, and urges its members to exercise their political rights as voters and citizens to support that position, using that church as a bogey man can be very effective.  No surprise there, and there&#8217;s nothing unlawful about such a tactic.</p>
<p>To me, however, the real questions are these: Should we as a society sit still for such behavior?  Isn&#8217;t the Kennebeck Journal&#8217;s position more consistent with what we&#8217;ve come to call &#8220;the American Way?&#8221;  And if we do not stand up against such bigoted political discourse, isn&#8217;t it a very short step to using any candidate&#8217;s religion against him or her?</p>
<p>And do we really want to go there as a nation and as a society?</p>
<p><strong>Update by Lowell</strong>:</p>
<p>Our reader Carl H. has commented below, and we find his thoughts so useful that we are adding it to the post:</p>
<p><em>Mollie at GetReligion takes up Vick&#8217;s article&#8211;and the important issues&#8211;</em><a rel=\"nofollow\" href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5nZXRyZWxpZ2lvbi5vcmcvP3A9MTI5NDA="><em>here</em></a><em>, and considers the elephant in the room that only one side of the debate is willing to discuss:</em></p>
<blockquote><p>I also find it fascinating that this entire story aims to support the notion that Americans will be less comfortable with Mormons than gays (if forced, somehow, to choose). We learn all sorts of things about the Mormon church in this story — much of it very fairly written. But we never explore whether it’s true that the more people know about gay activists, the more comfortable they’ll be with them.</p>
<p>Take, for instance, the woman who organized California’s “Meet in the Middle for Equality” march held Saturday in Fresno. Her name is Robin McGehee and she seems by all accounts to be a very nice and capable woman. <a target=\"_blank\" href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5zZmdhdGUuY29tL2NnaS1iaW4vYmxvZ3Mvc2Ztb21zL2RldGFpbD9ibG9naWQ9NDYmYW1wO2VudHJ5X2lkPTMyNzU4">Here’s an absolutely fawning profile of her in the San Francisco Chronicle from last fall.</a> I sure hope it was written by her mother — it’s just that biased. Anyway, she is one of four partners in the raising of her children — two partnered women and two partnered men. I’m sure that what I’m about to write is considered shocking inside the Washington Post … but I bet quite a few people in America think that such a family arrangement is less than ideal. They might even feel more, dare I say, “comfortable” with the Mormon family next door (not that I, again, think this should matter regarding marriage policy). But we never really see any hard-hitting looks at why society considers families led by two parents of opposite sex to be best for children. It’s almost considered impolitic to discuss this reality.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed.   I have more thoughts about this, and <a target=\"_blank\" href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5nYWxsdXAuY29tL3BvbGwvMTE4Mzc4L01ham9yaXR5LUFtZXJpY2Fucy1Db250aW51ZS1PcHBvc2UtR2F5LU1hcnJpYWdlLmFzcHg=">an intriguing Gallup poll</a>, at <a target=\"_blank\" href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3RydWVub3J0aG5ld3NhbmRjb21tZW50YXJ5LmNvbS8yMDA5LzA2LzAyL3NvLXdoYXQtZG9lcy10aGUtcHVibGljLXJlYWxseS10aGluay1hYm91dC1zYW1lLXNleC1tYXJyaWFnZS8=">True North</a>.</p>
<p><strong>John comments</strong>:  <em>OK, it is serious, but come on &#8211; &#8220;The Mormons are Coming&#8221;?  It conjures up some images of <a target=\"_blank\" href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5pbWRiLmNvbS90aXRsZS90dDAwNjA5MjEv">old, very funny movies</a>.</em></p>
<p><em>I am reminded of July 2007 when <a target=\"_blank\" href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hcnRpY2xlNmJsb2cuY29tLzIwMDcvMDcvMDkvdG9kYXlzLXJlYWRpbmctbGlzdC1qdWx5LTktMjAwNy8=">we accused Jim Geraghty of being an &#8220;accomplice to bigotry&#8221;</a> due to some argument  he leveled against Romney at the time.   <a target=\"_blank\" href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL2NhbXBhaWduc3BvdC5uYXRpb25hbHJldmlldy5jb20vcG9zdC8/cT1aVFl4WW1aaE9EQXdPV1JqTVdFMU0yWmpNRGxpWTJRMFpUSTJNbVV6TXpRPQ==">Jim did not take it kindly</a>.  What Jim engaged in then was what this piece does now &#8211; some cold political calculation, and we leveled our accusation because sometimes decency demands that some political realities be denounced. There is a point at which winning is </em><em>not the only thing.</em></p>
<p><em>The American way is nothing if not fair.  That means that Lowell&#8217;s analysis is right.  If this stands, then any other religion will be the next thing that can be attacked.   But it won&#8217;t stop there, then we will attack on other things.  Identity politics are just wrong.</em></p>
<p><em>Way back in 2005 I was on a jury in a criminal case.  Jury deliberations came down to race.  It was ugly.  <a target=\"_blank\" href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL2Jsb2dvdGlvbmFsLmJsb2dzcG90LmNvbS8yMDA1LzEwL3Ryb3VibGUtd2l0aC1qdXJpZXMuaHRtbA==">At the time I wrote</a>:</em></p>
<blockquote><p>High School Civics class, first day, first words:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Ours is a nation of laws not men.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Those words, <em>that idea</em>, <strong><em>that sentiment</em></strong> has made this nation great. It has, given time, undone the injustices that our society wrought early on.</p>
<p>There was a time, sadly, when the law did not apply equally to all people in our nation. It is our great national shame; fortunately, it is not true any more. More importantly; however, the solution to that former gross injustice lies not in changing what people group gets the benefits of that unequal application &#8211; it lies, rather, in assuring EQUAL application.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>The pro same-sex marriage crowd feels justified  in their discriminatory rants because they feel discriminated against.  That is an arguable point, but discrimination begetting discrimination delegitimizes any argument they may have &#8211; at that point the discussion has shriveled to hatred, pure and simple.  (related reading &#8211; <a target=\"_blank\" href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5yZWFsY2xlYXJwb2xpdGljcy5jb20vYXJ0aWNsZXMvMjAwOS8wNS8zMS9sb3N0X2luX3RoZV9sYWJ5cmludGhfb2ZfcmFjZV85Njc2My5odG1s">Victor Davis Hansen &#8211; today</a>)<br />
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<p><em>As proof consider</em> <a target=\"_blank\" href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9udGltZXMuY29tL25ld3MvMjAwOS9qdW4vMDEvYWJvcnRpb24tZG9jdG9yLWtpbGxlZC1hdC1jaHVyY2gvP3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX211c3QtcmVhZC1zdG9yaWVzLXRvZGF5X2hlYWRsaW5lcyZhbXA7"><em>yesterday&#8217;s heinous murder of late term abortion provider George Tiller</em></a>.  <em>This decidedly pro-life blog hereby denounces loudly and condemningly the murder of Tiller or any other abortion provider.  Despite how wrong I think the actions of such doctors are, it does not justify &#8220;returning the favor.&#8221;  In fact <a target=\"_blank\" href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5iaWJsZWdhdGV3YXkuY29tL3Bhc3NhZ2UvP2Jvb2tfaWQ9NDcmYW1wO2NoYXB0ZXI9NSZhbXA7dmVyc2U9MzcmYW1wO2VuZF92ZXJzZT0zOSZhbXA7dmVyc2lvbj0zMSZhbXA7Y29udGV4dD1jb250ZXh0">such is an imperative of the same source from which I have come to believe abortion is wrong</a>. </em></p>
<p><em>But what I really do not understand in this situation is the press.  Why can they not see the discrimination and denounce it?  I am old enough (as the movie citation above proves) to remember the racial tensions of the late 1960&#8242;s and the press coverage of the same.  As I have said before, I have much family in Mississippi and I remember wincing while watching the news thinking that the things they were saying they were saying about my family.  And yet the press cannot seem to muster even one ounce of the outrage at this bigotry that they could raise at Mississippi in that time.  <a target=\"_blank\" href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy53YXNoaW5ndG9udGltZXMuY29tL25ld3MvMjAwOS9qdW4vMDEvYWJvcnRpb24tZG9jdG9yLWtpbGxlZC1hdC1jaHVyY2gvP3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX211c3QtcmVhZC1zdG9yaWVzLXRvZGF5X2hlYWRsaW5lcyZhbXA7">The coverage of the Tiller murder</a> leads with how awful acts of murder and terrorism are against abortion clinics (and they are!) with denial of sympathy for the murder by the vast majority of the pro-life community coming only late in the story.  And yet the coverage of the issue of religious discrimination bears none of the same reporting style.  Why are we not informed of the level of hatred for religious people that runs through the gay community?  Agreed, it is not violence &#8211; yet &#8211; but with protests and demonstrations and civil disobedienced witnessed both ater the vote last fall and int he wake of last week&#8217;s court decision, one has to wonder about the potential. </em></p>
<p><em>But this is made all the worse because there really is no outrage involved in any direction &#8211; it&#8217;s just cold political manipulation.</em></p>
<p><em>Or was it?  <a target=\"_blank\" href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy50aGVzdGFyLmNvbS9uZXdzL3dvcmxkL2FydGljbGUvNjQyMzUy">The Canadian press seems to think religious people in general are just a little nuts</a>.  </em></p>
<blockquote><p>Bush, a born-again Christian since age 40, arrives for today&#8217;s paid speaking engagement at Metro Toronto Convention Centre with fellow former president Bill Clinton amid a series of stranger-than-fiction disclosures, one of which suggests that apocalyptic fervour may have held sway within the walls of his White House.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Read the rest of the story if you can stomach it, but let&#8217;s be serious here.   Could someone as fanatical as they describe Bush to be even survive the election process?  I don&#8217;t think so.  Which is part of what makes the idea of &#8220;The Mormons are coming&#8221; funny.  The Prop 8 campaign was highly skilled and learned political action.  Religious fanatics of the type they seem to invoke here simply could not be that well organized, too much rationality is involved in the execution.</em></p>
<p><em>Finally, God help us all, <a target=\"_blank\" href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5leGFtaW5lci5jb20vYS0yMDQzNTExfkNhbl9pdF9iZV9fSW93YV9wcmVzaWRlbnRpYWxfY2FtcGFpZ25pbmdfcmV0dXJucy5odG1sP2NpZD1yc3MtUG9saXRpY3M=">they are talking Iowa &#8217;12 already</a>.  Personally, I think Iowa is done as a political bellweather.  Pat Robertson and Mike Huckabee are not winners that prove much in the way of reliability.  Don&#8217;t be surprised to see the GOP, and perhaps the Dems make some moves towards either changing the rules in the early states (IA and NH) or moving towards a national primary day.  Iowa did more than cost Romney the nomination last time &#8211; it split the party.  We cannot afford that.  </em></p>
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		<title>Gay Marriage:  The Crux of the Debate</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 05:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lowell Brown</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>[<strong>Note from Lowell:</strong>  The following is a post from a brand-new blog, <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3RydWVub3J0aG5ld3NhbmRjb21tZW50YXJ5LmNvbS8=">True North</a>, where I'll be posting about subjects outside the scope of this blog.  This particular post, however, seems like a cross-over to our politics/religion portfolio.]</em></p>
<p>The crux of the debate, huh?  I know, that&#8217;s a fairly grandiose title for this post;  the gay marriage debate is about many things.  For one thing, gays want acceptance, and that basic human desire looms large in the discussion.  So does the desire of traditional marriage proponents to uphold the ideal of a family that includes both a father and a mother.</p>
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<p>All those important elements aside, I think the crux of the public debate in the coming years will be this question:  <em>In the context of marriage, is sexual preference the same as race? </em>In other words, is opposition to gay marriage the same as opposition to interracial marriage?</p>
<p>Understanding the two principal competing answers to that question is crucial to understanding the nature of the national conversation that is under way right now.<span id="more-1188"></span></p>
<p><strong>Yes:  Gay marriage proponents</strong> think the answer is clearly and unequivocally yes, and that anyone opposing same-sex marriage occupies the same moral ground as those who opposed interracial marriage decades ago.  In this view, reserving marriage for a man and a woman, on the one hand; and civil unions for  gay couples, on the other, is no different from the &#8220;separate but equal&#8221; doctrine that once applied to public education.</p>
<p>As much as I disagree with it, this position is a principled one.  I am not attacking it; I am trying to describe it.</p>
<p><strong>No:  Traditional marriage supporters</strong> like me think the answer to the question is no, because we are talking about the definition of an institution &#8211; marriage &#8211; as between a man and a woman.  Interracial marriages are still between a man and a woman.  Such marriages do not test the fundamental definition of the institution.   In this view, reserving traditional marriage for male-female unions, and domestic partnerships for same-sex unions is not a &#8220;separate but equal&#8221; arrangement, it is &#8220;<em>different</em> but equal.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>The two views can collide </strong>in ugly ways, depending on who is making the argument.  Those in the &#8220;separate but equal&#8221; camp too often want to cast their opponents as little better than Ku Klux Klan members, circa 1950.  That is not an exaggeration.  Consider <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5vc2Nhci5jb20vb3NjYXJuaWdodC93aW5uZXJzLz9wbj1kZXRhaWwmYW1wO25vbWluZWU9UGVubiUyMFNlYW4lMjAtJTIwQWN0b3IlMjBMZWFkaW5nJTIwUm9sZSUyME5vbWluZWU=">Sean Penn&#8217;s comments on receiving the Academy Award as Best Actor for his portrayal of gay activist Harvey Milk</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px">I think that it is a good time for those who voted for the ban against gay marriage [Proposition 8] to sit and reflect and anticipate their great shame and the shame in their grandchildren&#8217;s eyes if they continue that way of support.</p>
<p>In other words, those who voted for Prop 8 will, in time, be seen much like those who opposed civil rights for African- Americans: their grandchildren will be ashamed of them.</p>
<p>That is pretty strong stuff.  It also grossly distorts the debate by seeking to marginalize those who take the &#8220;no&#8221; position on the &#8220;separate but equal&#8221; question.  Suddenly their position is not principled, but simply bigoted and shameful.</p>
<p>What will happen over the next 5-10 years?  I think we as a society (through our political-legal system) will eventually decide which view is correct.  Make no mistake:  That will be the battle, and the entire country the battleground.</p>
<p>This is an emotional and heart-breaking issue.  Anyone who knows and cares about any gay people knows this.  That&#8217;s why I really have no patience for the people on either side who can only see their opponents as moral poison.  Maybe amid all the usual messy screaming and yelling that occurs when Americans tackle an issue like this, we can actually have a national conversation about what marriage means, and whether we should adhere to the traditional definition or change it.</p>
<p>Then maybe we can start talking about what it might actually mean to make such a change in definition, and whether it is really a good idea.  More about that in future posts.</p>
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		<title>Explaining The Statistics</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Schroeder</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[News Media Bias]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[A blog post from a normal Evangelical pastor at a normal Evangelical church in Charlotte, South Carolina goes a long way to explain that Newsweek story of last week. (HT: Monday Morning Insight) You see, I am one of the many Americans who would no longer describe themselves as a professing Christian. I cannot in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL2dlb2Zmc3VycmF0dC50eXBlcGFkLmNvbS9pbm5lcl9yZXZvbHV0aW9uLzIwMDkvMDQvaW0tdGhyb3VnaC13aXRoLWNocmlzdGlhbml0eS5odG1s" target=\"_blank\">A blog post from a normal Evangelical pastor at a normal Evangelical church in Charlotte, South Carolina goes a long way to explain</a> that <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hcnRpY2xlNmJsb2cuY29tLzIwMDkvMDQvMDYvY2hhbmdlLWlzLWluLXRoZS1haXIv" target=\"_blank\">Newsweek story of last week</a>. (HT: <a href="http://www.article6blog.com/wp-content/plugins/wordpress-feed-statistics/feed-statistics.php?url=aHR0cDovL21vbmRheW1vcm5pbmdpbnNpZ2h0LmNvbS9pbmRleC5waHAvc2l0ZS9jb21tZW50cy9pbV90aHJvdWdoX3dpdGhfY2hyaXN0aWFuaXR5Lw==" target=\"_blank\">Monday Morning Insight</a>)</p>
<blockquote><p><em>You see, I am one of the many Americans who would no longer describe themselves as a professing Christian. I cannot in good faith associate any more with what the label Christian has come to represent in America. Christianity is now a set of political views, a way to distinguish different groups of people (Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus), a movement to impose a certain view of morality on others regardless the condition of their hearts.</em></p>
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<p><em>The main goal of Christianity in America is to build a Christian society where Christian values are taught in the schools, Christian morals are enforced in the workplace and Christian laws are followed in the courtrooms. And if Christians can&#8217;t force non-Christians to act like Christians, we&#8217;ll just build our own separate society. We&#8217;ll shop in Christian stores, buy from Christian salesmen and live in Christian neighborhoods. And if we need to we&#8217;ll buy guns and defend our Christian values to the death. </em></p>
<p><em>I am flawed in my faith and every day I make mistakes that I am ashamed of. But I love Jesus more and more the older I get, and I love the church with all my heart; I just can&#8217;t buy into the Christian thing anymore. So I quit. I am resigning from the Christian party, the Christian club, the Christian religion. I am going to devote the rest of my life to loving God with all my heart and loving my neighbor as myself. I am going to spend all of my energy learning more about Jesus so I can follow him as closely as I can. Every day I am going to pick up my cross and follow Jesus; I am going to try be a light in my community and salt in a desperate world. I&#8217;m just not going to be a Christian anymore. Are you with me?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed, Evangelicals seems to be experiencing a crisis of politics, but in that they are retrenching in faith. In religious terms many are finding that political action has become an idol and with the corruption of terms so typical in our society, they must reject the label to rediscover the Lord.</p>
<p>From the standpoint of faith, this is a good thing for this generation, but is it a good thing for future generations?  Well politics are important and that is where that question will be answered.  If we remain a nation where we are free to practice our religion, to pass it on to our children and to evangelize freely, then yes, it is a good thing.  Nothing makes for good converts like good adherents to a faith.  If we give up politics as an idol, and place God on His proper throne, our faith should grow personally and socially &#8211; and faster than it has been.</p>
<p>But, if we remove ourselves from politics altogether, then we stand to lose a nation where we are free to practice and evangelize.   We won&#8217;t die, but we will be driven underground.  As Evangelicals go through this retrenching they need to remember the idea is not to <em>divorce</em> politics, but to properly engage them &#8211; to put them in proper perspective so that our God is also in proper perspective.</p>
<p>This means that for many, particularly those in professional ministry, politics will become a personal matter.   They are called to spread the gospel, not the rally the vote.  But as leaders of the flocks, they are also called to make room for others to exercise their calling, which for some is indeed rallying the vote.</p>
<p>There is much at stake.  The current administration, through fiscal and taxation policy, threatens the funding base of institutions such as churches.  Despite Proposition 8, the threat to the structural foundation of our society, the nuclear family, remains quite strong, and growing.  The threats to human life in some scientific research  have been unleashed, and our government now pays for such deaths overseas.  We have much to do.</p>
<p>I applaud learning how to do it smarter.  I do not applaud abandoning the field of play.</p>
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