Comments on: Wisdom, Imprinted Agendas, Presidential Politics and more… http://www.article6blog.com/2009/11/30/wisdom-imprinted-agendas-presidential-politics-and-more/ "Religion, Politics, the Presidency: Commentary by a Mormon, an Evangelical, and an Orthodox Christian" Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:15:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Mike Huckabee’s Crackup, David Frum, and Religion in Politics | truenorthnewsandcommentary.com | Lowell Brown http://www.article6blog.com/2009/11/30/wisdom-imprinted-agendas-presidential-politics-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-13483 Mike Huckabee’s Crackup, David Frum, and Religion in Politics | truenorthnewsandcommentary.com | Lowell Brown Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:15:33 +0000 http://www.article6blog.com/?p=1670#comment-13483 [...] am cross-posting much of this entry with Article VI Blog, where I also hang out.  As I said there, I am offering just a few quick [...] [...] am cross-posting much of this entry with Article VI Blog, where I also hang out.  As I said there, I am offering just a few quick [...]

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]]> By: Mike Bennion http://www.article6blog.com/2009/11/30/wisdom-imprinted-agendas-presidential-politics-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-13480 Mike Bennion Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:45:04 +0000 http://www.article6blog.com/?p=1670#comment-13480 The Proclamation on the Family seems to be the LDS version of the Manhatten Declaration and anticipated it by a decade. The Proclamation on the Family seems to be the LDS version of the Manhatten Declaration and anticipated it by a decade.

]]> By: coltakashi http://www.article6blog.com/2009/11/30/wisdom-imprinted-agendas-presidential-politics-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-13475 coltakashi Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:11:41 +0000 http://www.article6blog.com/?p=1670#comment-13475 The trinitarian part of the Manhattan Declaration is there, but it is more of a pro-forma reference, and affirming the creedal trinity is not the point of the Declaration. I know from my own correspondence with Mr. Colson that he is uncomfortable with calling the Latter-day Saints "Christians", in which he, like many other people, concentrates on differences rather than similarities, reasons to exclude rather than to include (even though the process is reversed when he works on documents such as the various declarations of Evangelicals and Catholics Together). I think the main reason the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would probably not have an official representative sign the Declaration is that the document's voice is that of an advocate arguing for its position. By comparison, declarations from the CJCLDS Church are in a prophetic voice, simply stating principles but not arguing for them. For example, the LDS Declaration on the Family addresses many of the same principles about the divinely-ordained family of man and woman and their children, but does not delve into considerations of competing viewpoints, and why the people who hold them are respected but their views rejected. While the Manhattan Declaration announces its intent to be "prophetic", it does not purport to be prophetic in the sense of being an authoritative pronouncement from God or God's authorized agents. While some of the same views and arguments could be contained in a speech by an LDS apostle, such as Dallin Oaks' recent address on religious liberty at BYU-Idaho, an official declaration from the LDS Church would have a different tone. Anyone interested in seeing the strong agreement between the LDS and Manhattan Declaration viewpoints can visit www.lds.org and read the Declaration on the Family and Dallin Oaks' recent speech on religious liberty. The trinitarian part of the Manhattan Declaration is there, but it is more of a pro-forma reference, and affirming the creedal trinity is not the point of the Declaration. I know from my own correspondence with Mr. Colson that he is uncomfortable with calling the Latter-day Saints “Christians”, in which he, like many other people, concentrates on differences rather than similarities, reasons to exclude rather than to include (even though the process is reversed when he works on documents such as the various declarations of Evangelicals and Catholics Together).

I think the main reason the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would probably not have an official representative sign the Declaration is that the document’s voice is that of an advocate arguing for its position. By comparison, declarations from the CJCLDS Church are in a prophetic voice, simply stating principles but not arguing for them. For example, the LDS Declaration on the Family addresses many of the same principles about the divinely-ordained family of man and woman and their children, but does not delve into considerations of competing viewpoints, and why the people who hold them are respected but their views rejected. While the Manhattan Declaration announces its intent to be “prophetic”, it does not purport to be prophetic in the sense of being an authoritative pronouncement from God or God’s authorized agents. While some of the same views and arguments could be contained in a speech by an LDS apostle, such as Dallin Oaks’ recent address on religious liberty at BYU-Idaho, an official declaration from the LDS Church would have a different tone.

Anyone interested in seeing the strong agreement between the LDS and Manhattan Declaration viewpoints can visit http://www.lds.org and read the Declaration on the Family and Dallin Oaks’ recent speech on religious liberty.

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