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That Beck/Dobson Thing Won’t Go Away…

Posted by: John Schroeder at 08:40 am, January 4th 2009     —    5 Comments »

…which is the problem, frankly.

You have not heard from partner Lowell in a while because as a Utah alum, he has been busy in New Orleans.  CONGRATS TO THE UTES FOR AN UNDEFEATED SEASON!

Now back to business.  A reader wrote to Focus on the Family on the whole Beck issue we have been following, and forwarded their response to us.   Here are two key pull quotes from a lengthy response:

The first thing you need to understand is that, despite media reports to the contrary, we did *not* take this step in response to pressure from Underground Apologetics or any other self-appointed watchdog group. The choice was entirely our own, and it was made for solid theological and philosophical reasons (to be explained in what follows). For what it’s worth, we can tell you that we do not condone Underground Apologetics’ hostile and combative tone. What’s more, we can assert without reservation that we hadn’t even seen their press release — in fact, it hadn’t yet been generated — when we decided to remove our article from circulation.That said, it is vital to add that we consider Glenn Beck a good friend of our ministry. We have only feelings of deep appreciation for his valuable contributions to the cause of family values and conservative social principles. The same thing can be said with reference to our many supporters within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Time and time again staunch members of the LDS church have contacted us with warm expressions of their enthusiasm for our work, and on every occasion we have tried to make it clear that we welcome their friendship and appreciate their exemplary commitment to moral values. It is impossible to overestimate the value of such allies in the ongoing battle against secularism, “multiculturalism,” and amoral “political correctness.

Let’s take them at their word here.  They continue:

”Why, then, have we come to regard our initial decision to feature this particular discussion with Glenn Beck on the _CitizenLink_ Web site as an unfortunate miscalculation? For the simple reason that Mr. Beck’s book _The Christmas Sweater_, which was the focal point of the interview, moves beyond the range of conservative social concerns and touches upon overtly theological themes. Herein lies the crux of our concern. Much as we respect and appreciate our friends in the LDS Church, it would be dishonest of us to conceal our firm conviction that at its heart, Mormon doctrine is incompatible with Christianity. While there are many forms of worship, modes of religious expression, and even a number of beliefs that Latter-day Saints hold in common with the various Christian denominations, the fact remains that the distinctions that make it unique are of an entirely different order from those that divide these other groups.

OK, just a few comments here.

  • “incompatable with Christianity” is a bit strong.  They go on to lay out the differences in views of the Godhead between Mormons and tradtional Christianity – truthfully so.  Even so, there must be a better way to phrase it – “distinct from” or our favorite “heterodox” – but “incompatible” is picking a fight while saying you don’t want to start one.
  • If Mr. Beck is indeed such a friend, it would be natural to want to promote his book out of friendship – so why not simply leave the piece up with a disclaimer?  Or even if it must be removed, then disclaim the removal, don’t simply take it down. This is particularly problematic for a “CitizenLink” web site run by a radio ministry.  Focus on the Family is not a church; James Dobson is not a pastor, he is a psychologist, and this particular website is devoted to politics from a religious viewpoint, not religion.
  • If indeed the “tone” of the Underground Apologetics press release is objectionable then the disclaimer suggested in the above comment is all the more applicable, because the way this was done, echoes that tone, it does not contradict it.

I guess the bottom line is this – theological distinctions do not matter to the general public or in political matters.  They are for a particular time and place, and this is neither.  Even if you are unwilling to call Mormons “Christians,” you have to understand that if we ally with them politically the line between will get fuzzy.

Think of it this way- most people do not know that “Buda” and “Pest” in Hungary are two different cities connected by a bridge over a river – unless, of course, you have been there.  To most of the world there is only “Budapest.”  Those two cities have discovered advantages to that “mistaken” impression.  Tourists are drawn to that lovely city, only to arrive and find two cities – thus feeling like they got their money’s worth in the discovery.  To most of the world Mormons and traditional Christians are, simply, “religious.”  When it comes to public policy and politics, they do not, and in fact should not need to know any differently.

The problem is not the distinction, it is how we handle the distinction.  Friends do not treat people they way the Dobson organization treated Beck here.

In Other Reading…

This stuff is not directly applicable to this blog’s portfolio, but it is vaguely related and interesting reading.

Lowell’s late additions . . .

I think most, if not all, Mormons would not object to what Focus on the Family did to Glenn Beck if Focus would simply use an adjective like “orthodox.” For example:

Much as we respect and appreciate our friends in the LDS Church, it would be dishonest of us to conceal our firm conviction that at its heart, Mormon doctrine is incompatible with [orthodox] Christianity. 

That would not bother me one bit.  It has the added advantage of being true. As I have said many times on this blog, when orthodox (or creedal) Christians write that Mormons are not Christian, most readers interpret that to mean Mormons do not believe in Jesus Christ.  That’s simply not true.  (Yes, I know some very extreme Evangelicals claim that Mormons do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible, but there we are talking about fine points of doctrine.)  What we Mormons find slanderous and hurtful is the implication that we are more akin to something like Hinduism than Christianity.  Anyone who knows anything about us knows that is false.

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5 Responses to “That Beck/Dobson Thing Won’t Go Away…”

  1. stefanie on 04 Jan 2009 at 5:24 pm #

    I think the obvious question is this: why did they post the article in the first place? Certainly they know that Glenn Beck is a Mormon. They obviously liked the book & its message. I think publishing then pulling the article/ review is disingenuous and smacks of bowing to religious pressure. How can they say the decision was ‘entirely their own’? It is so obvious that they were pressured into pulling it. People who have ‘deep feelings of appreciation’ for another, especially those that share the same societal values, stand firm in their friendship. They don’t turn their backs and say “Never mind!” I think this quote is telling: (Glenn’s book) “moves beyond the range of conservative social concerns and touches upon overtly theological themes. Herein lies the crux of our concern. Much as we respect and appreciate our friends in the LDS Church, it would be dishonest of us to conceal our firm conviction that at its heart, Mormon doctrine is incompatible with Christianity. ” Obviously they came to this conclusion BEFORE printing the interview. Then why did they write and post it? Removing the post is a slap in the face. They state their close ties with Mormons. After this, I think many LDS people with think twice about associating with James Dobson’s group.

  2. TVHall on 04 Jan 2009 at 8:04 pm #

    While reading this piece and pondering this issue, the thought came to me that there is at least some, and perhaps more, commonality between this point of discussion and the one that our friends on the left have, occasionally, about the authenticity of some “people of color.” Which begs the question, is there a substantive difference between Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton declaring Clarence Thomas or Condoleezza “insufficiently black” and judgemental evangelicals declaring Mormons “not Christian?”

  3. John Schroeder on 04 Jan 2009 at 10:12 pm #

    TVHall – your analogy does break down. The definition of being black is simple – your skin is dark. The definition of being a “Christian” is quite slippery indeed if one considers all the areas that affects, which includes theology.

    That said, your analogy holds when it comes purely to the realm of politics, and if you will recall we called Mike Huckabee the “evangelical Jesse Jackson” way back in the primary and even got in a bit of a debate with the late, great Dean Barnett over who came up with the idea first. (WE DID!)

  4. TVHall on 05 Jan 2009 at 12:18 pm #

    That’s exactly the point I was making, John. The question of racial “authenticity” has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with ideology, which tends to come perilously close to theology on the left.

    The definition of “Christian” only becomes slippery as qualifiers begin to be hung on it. This is why your analogy of Huckabee as the “evangelical Jesse Jackson” is so apropos, and why it is risky to make proclamations on someone’s authenticity as a Christian.

  5. logansmommy2003 on 14 Jan 2009 at 8:53 am #

    I am confused. I am a member of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints. I believe in the Jesus Christ who died on the cross for my sins and the world. He healed the sick, raised people from the dead, gave the sermon on the mount, etc… Which Jesus Christ of the Bible do they believe in? Is there two?? I am as Christian as it gets. I don’t have a doubt in my mind. How can anyone else say what is in another person’s heart? That is only between that person and God.

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