Comments on: The Fringe Speaks… http://www.article6blog.com/2008/07/29/the-fringe-speaks/ "Religion, Politics, the Presidency: Commentary by an Evangelical Christian and A Mormon" Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:04:02 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: coltakashi http://www.article6blog.com/2008/07/29/the-fringe-speaks/comment-page-1/#comment-12693 coltakashi Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:55:55 +0000 http://www.article6blog.com/2008/07/29/the-fringe-speaks/#comment-12693 "They say Mr. Romney lacks trust on issues such as outlawing abortion and opposing same-sex marriage and because he is a Mormon." That is about the most irrational sentence I have ever read. Romney is not considered to be trustworthy in opposing abortion and same-sex marriage "because he is a Mormon"? Anyone who hasn't had their head stuck in the sand knows that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is actively encouraging its members to not only vote in support of the California constitutional amendment to override the recent California Supreme Court ruling creating gay marriage, but also to contribute funds and time to the campaign. The LDS Church does not get involved in partisan issues, but this is a matter of law that directly affects morality, as well as threatens churches that support Biblical sexual morality with denial of tax exemptions and second class citizenship for their members. In other words, the Mormons and their Church leaders are in the forefront of fighting same-sex marriage! So how can being a Mormon make Romney not "trustworthy" to oppose same-sex marriage? Wouldn't a logical person conclude: Mormons strongly oppose gay marriage. Romney is strongly Mormon. Therefore Romney strongly opposes gay marriage. The same thing goes for abortion. The LDS Church has held its members to the standard that no Latter-day Saint should have an abortion except when (a) it directly and significantly threatens the life of the mother, or (b) it is the result of rape or incest; AND (c) the mother AND father have reviewed the matter with their Church leaders and sincerely sought personal guidance from God about the decision. This standard bars abortion as birth control, for economic consideration, or any other reason, which is the vast majority of abortions. What is more, the Church carries on an active adoption program and encourages young women who cannot marry the father of their child to place the baby into adoption with other Church members who cannot have children of their own. When Romney was a local leader of the LDS Church in Boston, he taught this standard and advised the members of his Church to live by that standard. The LDS Church does not demand that the standard it sets for its members be incorporated into law for all people, of all religions or none, in all the 165 nations hwere its members are citizens. But the doctrines that lie behind the standard, about the pre-mortal existence of our spirits as children of God, persuade most Mormons that abortion ought to be limited in law. “They say Mr. Romney lacks trust on issues such as outlawing abortion and opposing same-sex marriage and because he is a Mormon.”

That is about the most irrational sentence I have ever read. Romney is not considered to be trustworthy in opposing abortion and same-sex marriage “because he is a Mormon”?

Anyone who hasn’t had their head stuck in the sand knows that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is actively encouraging its members to not only vote in support of the California constitutional amendment to override the recent California Supreme Court ruling creating gay marriage, but also to contribute funds and time to the campaign. The LDS Church does not get involved in partisan issues, but this is a matter of law that directly affects morality, as well as threatens churches that support Biblical sexual morality with denial of tax exemptions and second class citizenship for their members. In other words, the Mormons and their Church leaders are in the forefront of fighting same-sex marriage! So how can being a Mormon make Romney not “trustworthy” to oppose same-sex marriage? Wouldn’t a logical person conclude:

Mormons strongly oppose gay marriage.
Romney is strongly Mormon.
Therefore Romney strongly opposes gay marriage.

The same thing goes for abortion. The LDS Church has held its members to the standard that no Latter-day Saint should have an abortion except when (a) it directly and significantly threatens the life of the mother, or (b) it is the result of rape or incest; AND (c) the mother AND father have reviewed the matter with their Church leaders and sincerely sought personal guidance from God about the decision. This standard bars abortion as birth control, for economic consideration, or any other reason, which is the vast majority of abortions. What is more, the Church carries on an active adoption program and encourages young women who cannot marry the father of their child to place the baby into adoption with other Church members who cannot have children of their own. When Romney was a local leader of the LDS Church in Boston, he taught this standard and advised the members of his Church to live by that standard. The LDS Church does not demand that the standard it sets for its members be incorporated into law for all people, of all religions or none, in all the 165 nations hwere its members are citizens. But the doctrines that lie behind the standard, about the pre-mortal existence of our spirits as children of God, persuade most Mormons that abortion ought to be limited in law.

]]> By: kc4rzw http://www.article6blog.com/2008/07/29/the-fringe-speaks/comment-page-1/#comment-12692 kc4rzw Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:38:13 +0000 http://www.article6blog.com/2008/07/29/the-fringe-speaks/#comment-12692 If evangelical leaders are to evangelicals what Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are to blacks in america, then they are not intrested in the truth or in the values or good of america but they only want to perpetuate themselves and they can only do this by holding their people down and feeding their ignorance. We saw this during the recent news gaffe where Jackson was caught saying what he really throught about Obama. The rabid evangelicals are rabid because their teachers teach reformation and not biblical christianity, these creeds teach a different Christ than the Holy Bible. There is a pride that is not christian that they adhere to. But there is a reason that they do this and that is because their trade is priestcraft and the teachings of Jesus Christ destroy priestcraft. They want a kushy job just like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, can't keep it without priestcraft... so they do all they can to destroy the enemy of priestcraft which is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. All of this aside, when we come to election time and if McCain does pick Romney as a running mate, will the rabid evanglicals vote in their best interests or in the interests of their priestcraft perpetuating leaders? The answer could be very expensive and painful in many many ways for all of us. If evangelical leaders are to evangelicals what Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are to blacks in america, then they are not intrested in the truth or in the values or good of america but they only want to perpetuate themselves and they can only do this by holding their people down and feeding their ignorance. We saw this during the recent news gaffe where Jackson was caught saying what he really throught about Obama. The rabid evangelicals are rabid because their teachers teach reformation and not biblical christianity, these creeds teach a different Christ than the Holy Bible. There is a pride that is not christian that they adhere to. But there is a reason that they do this and that is because their trade is priestcraft and the teachings of Jesus Christ destroy priestcraft. They want a kushy job just like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, can’t keep it without priestcraft… so they do all they can to destroy the enemy of priestcraft which is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. All of this aside, when we come to election time and if McCain does pick Romney as a running mate, will the rabid evanglicals vote in their best interests or in the interests of their priestcraft perpetuating leaders? The answer could be very expensive and painful in many many ways for all of us.

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